Comment on What if the Internet Goes Down? - 15 Jan, 7PM CET

• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How resistant would this be to jamming? Iran managed to black out Starlink.

  And how trackable is it? Not sure how many people would be prepared to run one of these boxes if the Revolutionary Guard are going to come knocking.

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  • frozenicecube@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s pretty easy to jam as it’s just radio waves. Increase the noise on the channel and the chirps of your msg don’t get heard. That said there are some options to vary the channel as a group, and jamming a broad and robust mesh completely vs an area of nodes is a bit harder.

    Trackable as in traceable? You mean finding your node location? By default not overly difficult but again, can be set up to make it hard to find you.

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    • johntash@eviltoast.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t it be pretty easy to track down the source since its just radio?

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      • frozenicecube@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, which is why I said it wouldn’t be overly difficult, especially with access to military equipment. TDOA could fairly easily pinpoint a signal location. Meshtastic is generally chatty but you can do stuff like reduce transmissions, and limit the amount of hops your msgs can make etc. or even if you knew who you were sending to, make it directional so it’s harder to hear you. That said with the right tech, actively looking for nodes and listening to a chatty mesh radio it wouldn’t be hard.

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• dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Riots fix that, not meshtastic

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Riots are better coordinated when people can communicate wirelessly

    A government can shut down a riot of 10,000

    It struggles with 10 1,000 person riots.

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    • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think at that point it’s more of a revolution than a riot, but I agree

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    • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No doubt, but it really is a temporary solution, but a very good solution since it’s only necessary for a temporary amount of time

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    • DNS@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I didn’t know riots and protests 50+ years ago depended on the internet. Crazy.

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      • desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        they depended on communication

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      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You missed the word “better”.

        I never said meshtastic is a hard requirement.

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• Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If they shut the Internet and there is a decent meshtastic network they will jam that as well.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a non answer. yes, hypothetically they can, but the whole point of finding alternative channels is to make it difficult for them to do so, to the point that they might not even try.

    That pessimism of “they can jam it anyways” is like saying do not wear a helmet while riding a bike, if you are meant to die that day, you will die regardless of head protection.

    Plus, it will take resources for them to jam things, and the more resources they need to do that shit the faster it will deplete them and the less they can do, it is so obvious I do not know how to write it without sounding demeaning.

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe so, but incompetence is persistent within fascist organizations, and it adds an extra step.

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It adds a lot of extra risk since each node is a constant radio beacon that is easily trackable.

      Compared with handheld radio that broadcast and disappear.

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• Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Friend: do not underestimate how much greed the cel companies are capable of. Many have been working on their own satellite setups in preparation and blasting it in everyone’s face lately.

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