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brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 days ago
…I am drifting away from Lemmy myself.
Political communities are echo chambers like Reddit, in a different color. Discussing tech is a little better, but still feels like talking in circles. Wholesome subs like /c/SuperBowl are sublime, but I mostly lurk there.
And the information hygiene is awful. Big subs upvote tabloids and Tweets to the sky, as long as they align with their beliefs. I just saw a discussion on a not-obviously AI generated photo with the community sentiment of “misinformation? Who cares. It’s a pro-lefty meme, so spread it.”
Much of this is my fault, though.
I have several niches I intend to make original posts for, but never do.
It’s somewhere in the giant pile of my IRL executive dysfunction :’(
The info hygiene here is really bad. I thought people here would be better about finding well sourced informative articles to talk about but its the same news slop that dominates other platforms. This is a discussion forum so posts should have something worth discussing. Spamming the same trump action over and over doesnt create any discussion.
Scrolling through the news community is so depressing there is no comments because everyone is thinking “what do you want me to say its bad its awful”
On the contrary, I’ve made a few (not a ton) of what I thought were interesting news posts, but they don’t seem to gain traction.
I think the deeper issue is ragebait works, and the community seems to be content with that.
I guess ragebait really is what the people want. Its a bit sad but oh well.
thats how reddit works, up until p45, there was very little rage bait, after he was elected russia started pushing it heavily on reddit, and thats where we are now with reddit.
It’s addictive. It’s not like I haven’t stepped in it either.
This is what I keep hammering; people can’t help themselves, especially under stress. It needs to be fixed structurally to give us a fighting chance, otherwise we’re gonna end up barely better than Voat and all the other Reddit clones.
This is it. People are leaving because there are problems and not enough resources to fix them. Because that’s dEcEnTtAlZaTioN.
Yeah. We have monkey brains, and overcoming intertia is hard.
I think the site could be better structured to address this, specifically by organizing communities into a “taxonomy,” so posts from niche interest automatically filter up into bigger subs. Thus, participation would feel easier/more rewarding.
Making that suggestion on the Lemmy/Piefed repos is also on my massive todo list.
why beat yourself up. you know good content won’t be rewarded or seen.
only the ragebait.
the internet is not information driven anymore, it’s dopmine driven.
Dopamine? It’s cortisol driven.
I have some posts/interests that I think would get some visibility. It really is executive dysfunction, heh.
Not that you’re wrong.
i’ve seen a huge uptick in the rage/hate activity on lemmy… and it drives tons of upvotes and comments.
smart thoughtful interesting stuff… gets maybe 1/10 the activity.
I don’t like how broad Lemmy assumes default interests are, though then again showing everyone the average interests may statistically be the best initialization point.
Every time I’m shown a community I’m totally uninterested I make sure to go in and block it from my feed. Likewise with aggressive or otherwise pathological users. It gets better.
Lemmy doesn’t assume anything. Sorting is done by votes or activity from all communities, and it’s up to the user to make curated feeds by subscribing.
I don’t know precisely how Reddit works now, but it used to be like that too. It just had the quirk of “defaulting” to a few select subs in “hot,” instead of “all” like most Lemmy/Piefed instances do.
I get bummed that the political stuff has really taken over. I find myself spending more and more time just working on my own content and answering people’s comments than browsing the other communities. It’s draining scrolling past so much stuff to find the fun bits, but I don’t want to just block it and not see how our platform is developing as a whole.
A lot of communities have rules that posts need to be titled the same as the source article, which, while it prevents editorializing, it also brings all those ragebait headlines here. Plus I’d like to see Lemmy users’ opinions moreso than an article I could just read myself. I’d probably prefer more of the political post to be thoughts/feelings and then discussion is backed up by decent articles rather than an article being the post and comments are just all steered back to a single, often inflammatory article.
If half our content is just reposted mainstream media, why would one expect our comment sections to look any different than the comment sections of those mainstream sites?
A lot of communities have rules that posts need to be titled the same as the source article, which, while it prevents editorializing, it also brings all those ragebait headlines here. Plus I’d like to see Lemmy users’ opinions moreso than an article I could just read myself.
If half our content is just reposted mainstream media, why would one expect our comment sections to look any different than the comment sections of those mainstream sites?
I agree with the sentiment but disagree with the prognosis.
In my experience, the ragebait articles around here are largely from the same sites. Rawstory, mediaite, dailybeast, some of The Guardian’s more indulgent pieces. I won’t presume to know why the posters post them, but they’re ragebait to start.
The accurate title rule is great as long as posters pick more journalistic articles instead of opinion pieces or reposts. And if they don’t there’s no fixing that anyway.
I’d probably prefer more of the political post to be thoughts/feelings and then discussion is backed up by decent articles
And I straight up I disagree with this.
There are tons of talking heads with opinions. But journalism rooted in sourcing is much harder. That should come first, or at least come with an opinion in the OP, and then the discussion is built around facts.
the only way to not have an echo chamber where people vote with their emotions is to have an enlightened gnosticism user-base which is obviously very difficult to get and nurture but i’m trying :)
the best way to do this is to cultivate an atmosphere of discussion and in-depth thought regularly, which you can do by engaging with these discussions and seeking enlightenment yourself.
Aermis@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah I’m turned off from interacting. I got banned (I’m guessing since I can’t even reply to people) from world news when Maduro was kidnapped and I mentioned that my Venezuelan friends were hopeful. As this was scary but good news. And my god how I got flamed. Theres no room for conversation I got tagged, replied to, people made fun of me and that’s it. I wasn’t even allowed to interact anymore so it looks like I just said something and ran away.
I’m not even close to center, yet it’s all or nothing with politics here. It’s seriously become reddit 2.0. Pathetic.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah. The .world news community mods don’t seem to care about clickbait, misinformation, calls for violence or doxxing or rape, as long as they’re the “correct” politics. But make such a comment, and the moderation is… that.
I haven’t blocked the tankie subs or anything, but I had to block /c/politics.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 days ago
kinda odd you dint block the tankies, they are just as problematic if not more so. thats why i had them blocked. i had to block politics because the people are subtly promoting pro-zionist content.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I like Lemmy as a “zoo”
I like seeing nuts and weirdos and niches and stuff when I scroll by. It feels like the old internet. And I also find that lemmy.ml has good discussions outside tankie politics, so I don’t want to block that out.
Problem with the main political subs is that they’re so big they flood post sorted by Active, Rising, or New Comments. Their tabloid garbage crowds everything else out.