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Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I think part (though not all) of the issue is discoverability. There’s other communities where this isn’t as prevalent, but a) they’re not always easy to find, and b) for this as well as other reasons, they might not be super active (if people don’t know it exists, who’s posting?)

I get around the first bit by trawling All New once and a while. One feature I will say I liked on reddit was the random community function. But while I like that it’s a smaller userbase here for some reasons, it does mean less diversity of interests.

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SethTaylor@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I made one of those communities:

lemmy.world/c/IndepthIndie

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OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
PieFed offers a number of options to aid in discoverability - like Topics, Feeds (user-customizable and shareable), and combining together all replies from all cross-posts (at which point you can be like “oh hey, I didn’t know that community also existed?! Subscribed!!").

Sorry for being salty, but I’ve given up on Lemmy ever catching up to have even remotely close to as many features as PieFed.

Anyway you are definitely correct, community discovery has huge flaws when using Lemmy (and it’s about to get worse, where lemmy.ml gets veto power in showing communities to newly-created instances - it is easy enough to get around that by simply adding them manually, but that will increase the authoritarian control factor even more than it is now, further strengthening the ties between the Lemmy sourcecode and the Lemmy.ml instance, where already maintenance of the latter siphons off a great deal of funding away from efforts to develop the codebase further).

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- Butterphinger@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Same federation, same posts, same users. Different software doesn’t mean anything else changes.
  
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  - OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    There are an absolute shit-ton of features that PieFed has that Lemmy lacks. To give just one example, PieFed offers “polls”, which do not show up on Lemmy since the latter lacks the ability to properly receive them.
    
    Even for the posts that do federate, many features cannot federate in Lemmy, since the latter lacks the entire concept of them - e.g. hashtags, user & post flairs, user labels, limitation of community voting to only subscribers, etc. To give an example there, if a Lemmy community wanted to see fewer posts about USA politics, a moderator only has one option: make a rule and ban users who try it. In contrast a PieFed community could make a community flair and have a much gentler rule that any post about USA politics must use that flair, so that users who did not want to see such could filter them out. PieFed also combines communities into cross-community topic areas, and combines all comments across all cross-posts (identical posts sent to different communities), with the ruleset of the one currently clicked on displayed at the bottom below a post, including the description and the entire set of rules that the mods are asking the members to follow (displayed on each and every single post). Therefore even the identical communities look different when on PieFed, with many enhanced features (caveat: 3rd party apps have not yet adapted to take advantage of most of these features).
    
    https://join-lemmy.org/instances will send you to places like hexbear.net and lemmy.ml, whereas https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser literally never will.
    
    Even federation works differently, allowing a hierarchy of level of “trustedness” beyond simply yes federate fully vs. no defederate entirely. Also PieFed instances more efficiently send out 25x less data per post, and new instances are significantly easier to install and maintain (see e.g. irl stories of https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed and https://slrpnk.net/post/29381524, and don’t miss how in both stories there are long-standing issues/bugs that somehow never seem to get fixed…). Feel free to like or dislike whatever you choose but…
    
    Different federation, different posts, slightly different users. Different software means everything is now up to be changed, especially as the software is written in a language that encourages more contributors, and the devs are also much more responsive to feedback.
    
    If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it
    
    - source: Nutomic, one of the primary Lemmy devs
    
    Even the very model of interaction on PieFed profoundly differs from Lemmy: e.g. if I wanted to block political posts then I could unsubscribe from all (or most) of them, so that they do not pollute my Subscribed feed on the main page, yet they would all still then be just a click away in the News & Politics Topic Feed, meaning that I can literally both have my cake (no politics) and eat it too (have politics whenever I want). Everything is different here. Check it out if you do not believe me - e.g. your very own instance has a PieFed version.
    
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    PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    join-lemmy.org/instances will send you to places like hexbear.net and lemmy.ml, whereas piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser literally never will.
    
    Honestly I think this is a problem. I don’t think the instance picker should be so opinionated that it blocks (legal) instances. I want extremist to be directed away from the normie and moderate instances.
    
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