Comment on Cloudflare defies Italy’s Piracy Shield, won’t block websites on 1.1.1.1 DNS

• SaltySalamander@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws

  Fuck government overreach. And fuck anyone defending it.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s no way this was Cloudflare taking a stand for liberty and free speech. They are simply choosing to obey one less regulation. Less for them to do. Less to be accountable for. Less to special-case for one country.

    These corporations hate being regulated - it could be by a direct popular ballot, not politicians, and they would still resist. Let’s not mistake corporate obstructionism for libertarianism.

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  • fonix232@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You fight government overreach by civil disobedience, not by corporatist overreach in the same manner.

    If you give a free pass to corporations disobeying laws just because you personally dislike those laws, soon you'll find all regulations are pointless because no corporation follows them...

    Also, there's no such thing as "governmental overreach" in a well working system that is FOR the people and BY the people. You elect the representatives, you have a say in what laws get passed. I do agree that we could do with a refresher because the current forms of representative democracy are breaking thanks to (primarily right wing) political false marketing with no repercussions, and nowadays we do have a way to have people give direct input on laws and regulations before they get passed, but that doesn't negate the fact that the government isn't supposed to be some shady ruler class but rather a form of communal governance.

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    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      there’s no such thing as “governmental overreach” in a well working system that is FOR the people and BY the people

      Nope: two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

      Coercive power can be turned against the individual democratically. A system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also denies it authority to abuse liberties is necessary.

      civil disobedience, not by corporatist overreach

      “corporatist overreach” can be civil disobedience & legal challenges.

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

    I’m with you on these stupid laws too. 

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  • Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Government overreach (or corruption and enablement of oligarchs) is the responsibility of the citizens.

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    • deliriousdreams@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      and the citizens are doing?

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      • SaltySalamander@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Literally fuck-all.

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Nah, fuck Italy on this one. Capitalists demanding censorship to protect their profits are never right.

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I am Italian and I find Piracy Shield an abomination.

    That said, the consequence after the government enacts this should be to see at least all the technically informed people protesting vehemently if not violently.

    Instead no, sofa is just too comfortable and pay is too high (including the one they get from public contracts), so let’s instead applaud the Elon-yapping corpo that decides this is the one rule to challenge, but not the next one that is to their advantage.

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• General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  the Italian law is overly broad here, but that doesn’t excuse this behaviour.

  This behavior = Going to court.

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