Comment on Electric motorcycles with solid-state batteries seem to be coming soon.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
I have an electric dirtbike and a gas bike. My gas bike has an 11.1 L tank and can go about 360km per tank.
The highest actual range I’ve seen on an electric motorcycle is about 100km of mixed use (highway and city).
Solid state batteries have the potential capability of having almost double the power density as lithium ion. So approx 200-300km (maybe).
Pretty solid but doubling THAT is just dishonest and in no way going to happen. You’re claiming to have more power density than internal combustion. That’s just straight up dishonest.
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.
motorcyclenews.com/…/verge-electric-bike-distance…
It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌
Yes so even gaming this by driving very slowly, the range isn’t even close
The 20KwH is the low end battery which they rate at 350Km of range. The high end battery is 33KwH.
Yes, assuming a linear scaling, 33kWh would get you 506km with some percentage available.
that was an older model though.
It probably won’t do that in anything less than perfect conditions, but it will still be far more than any other bike on the road today. It is probably 3x that of Lithium Ion already. It’s roughly double that of usual NMC batteries, and still a good 50% better than the absolute best NMC. Combine that with no range degradation when consistently charging to 100% and discharging to 0%, no loss of capacity in hot or cold weather, and something like 20x the charge cycles of NMC/LiFePO4, and over the lifetime you will likely start seeing 4 or 5 times the capacity in later stages of vehicle ownerships
It’s 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don’t say.
It doesn’t matter. It’s a lie. Ideal conditions and driving the bike at 19km/h achieves that. How many people are going to be driving a top speed of 19km/h on a bike? Their stats are physically impossible given the hardware they’re stating and are relying on people with little knowledge of real world range on electric motorcycles or charge density of solid state vs lion
Maybe you’re not dreaming big enough on what makes ideal conditions. The fraudulent Nikola company managed to film a semi “driving” a few km without a powertrain, by just letting it roll downhill. I bet there’s a place that has a high enough altitude and smooth enough roads for a long downhill descent where 600km on a 300km battery is possible.
Ideal, as in “100 mph tail wind all the way”.
Every manufacturer says your mileage may vary.
“up to” is dishonest to start. They claim on some of their models 600+ km range. It is city mileage though. Solid state batteries claim 400wh/kg, and may be replacing 180wh/kg batteries. That can mean more than 2.5x range city due to reduced weight. The highway mileage is much lower though.
It’s a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.
artyom@piefed.social 3 days ago
It’s not The Verge. It’s Verge motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.