Oh the monkeys also spoke with a clear and erudite Danish accent over and over “WHAT HAS BEEN DONE CANNOT BE UNDONE AND NOW ALL THAT IS WILL NOT BE”, and it’s said that those who looked upon the have not slept or spoken since. However that is not a vetinary issue.
gibmiser@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well I was expecting some horror movie stuff with the headline Terrible Things. Monkeys fighting hallucinations or endless screaches of pain for no apparent reason.
This is just boring old paralysis and brain swelling. Poor monkeys.
GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Idk, brain swelling is painful and suffering from it while paralysed until you die is kind of nightmarish. If anything, hallucinations look more tame than what actually happened.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
IDK that still sounds pretty terrible.
Clevermistakes@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
True. The headline is sensationalist. It’s not unusual to have these types of effects from medical device testing, animals scratching at scars etc. but that doesn’t excuse the outright lying from Musk. These people signing up for the trial are insane.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Maybe it’s just because I have a deep-seated terror of brain surgery, but this all sounded absolutely terrifying to me.
I also hate, hate, HATE that Musk said that the monkeys were all ill. Not only is this 100% bullshit – this would completely invalidate the data – but it also indicates that like most things, he has a 13 year old’s understanding of life. He thinks that something that is sick has no right to safety, because, like, they’re already on borrowed time or something, right? I’m certain that to him, the stakes of these tests are lower because it’s not like, healthy full people like him who will eventually use these to get cybernetic super powers. These are humans with disabilities. They’re expendable test subjects.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well yeah, eugenics is back and us disabled folks are terrified.
If my life wasn’t worth living I’d’ve killed myself. I don’t want some loser ass tech bro who can’t even be bothered to raise his children to try to declare himself the authority on whether or not I live/reproduce.
PainInTheAES@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Now they’re going to start doing it to
bigger expendable test subjectspeople, yay.I_Has_A_Hat@startrek.website 1 year ago
Oh my God! He’s forcing disabled people to undego his experiments?!
Oh wait, what’s that? They’re all volunteers? They’re all willing to go through with it despite all the risks? Oh, and what else is that? The decision to move forward with human trials comes from the experts running just Elon himself? Well golly, that sure throws a wrench in my worldview. Guess I’ll just ignore all that in favor of keeping my hate boner directed at a single billionaire.
kewjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
volunteers on false promises will become victims. let Elon get it first if he really believes in it, just like the ocean gate CEO believed in his submarine.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
For context, I work in biotech. I’ve worked with animal subjects and human volunteers, and participated in the internal review process. I’m grateful for the guiderails that protect human subjects, and hope they hold up. Because as your comment points out, humans with disabled are in a very vulnerable position. If project managers lack concern and their consent is their only protection, human subjects will have no guarantees to that the procedures are safe. These expert reviewers and regulators are the only reason this article is about monkeys and not first round human subjects.
TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m sorry but, It really feels awful reading this comment, downplaying the horrific pain a torture these monkeys went through just to have some failed technology that did nothing for them… we did not even get good results from the test because a majority of the monkeys died from their complications… that’s is awful… most animals when ethical implications are considered for testing, don’t end up with majority of the subjects dying from terrible, preventable outcomes…
I_Has_A_Hat@startrek.website 1 year ago
Ok but this isnt exactly some outlier. These kind of results happen pretty regularly with this kind of testing. People are only upset in this instance because it’s magnified by their hatred of Elon.
It’s like if everyone got mad at a factory farm for how it treated cattle, but only because it was owned by someone infamous. It just feels disingenuous. Like, you either knew about the standards for these conditions beforehand and didn’t care, or you’ve had your head in the sand and only just recently learned about it from media focused on a person you hate.
It just reeks of “I just heard about this thing, have done zero research on it, and have formed my opinion entirely from headlines; but I think it’s bad 🥺🥺😢. Plus the person who owns them is a big meanie poopoo head and I hate them.”
Notice how there’s not some big push to ban animal testing from this? It’s just use to point at Elon and go “Bad man, bad!”. Face it, people care WAY more about shitting on him than they do about the monkeys.
Clevermistakes@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I agree here. Hope my comment didn’t downplay the severity of this. It is horrible and the investigation needs to continue. But I stand by saying the headline makes it sound like a Saw movie.
That being said, I hope the whole thing gets shut down at this point. It sounds like vapourware. Like full self driving I’m sure it all just works. Just wait 2 more months and they’ll release it. Yeah. Right.
Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s not sensationalist. Paralysis and brain swelling as a result of neuralink are terrible things.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
He's testing it on paralyzed people, so they're probably depressed and desperate. It's kind of like he's trying to help, but it could be seen as sleazy because he knows these people will try anything to fix their situation.
DeveloperKai@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“He’s testing it on paralyzed people”
He’s exploiting paralyzed people under the guise of trying to help them.
jhulten@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Hes experimenting on the disabled.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
Sure, that's what I was saying in the following sentence.
Clevermistakes@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
So to phrase this appropriately: you could say the apartheid blood emerald trust fund baby is experimenting with dangerous technology on disabled people because he views them as less than human. I don’t think it can be viewed any other way than sleazy. Besides it’s not like people with disabilities are so desperate they don’t care about their quality of life.