Comment on Apple removes app created by Andrew Tate

• jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t support them at all. I don’t believe in their cause. I don’t believe in their messaging.

  Philosophically I’m against all deep platforming, and I’m pointing out that if you want to prevent yourself from being deplatformed, you have to liberate yourself from app stores which have strong opinions.

  So I will provide deep platforming advice to anyone, for any reason, because I believe everyone should have a voice.

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  • Nythos@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Racists, sexists and homophobes do not deserve a platform from which they can continue to spew their vitriol.

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    • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I respectfully disagree, if we think speech is a human right, it has to be for everyone, or it’s for no one.

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      • avater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        are you really comparing women rights movement to the things a cunt like tate is doing ?

        what the actual fuck?

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      • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I respectfully disagree, if we think speech is a human right, it has to be for everyone, or it’s for no one.

        This is where everyone gets it wrong. Can you say anything you want? Sure, I suppose so. But there are CONSEQUENCES for what you say. One of those consequences is that a particular bit of speech is frowned upon at best, and made illegal at worst. It would be totally fine to yell “Bomb,” on an airplane if there was never a bomb on an airplane, and never would be. But there has been, and there probably will be again, so you can’t yell that without CONSEQUENCES. The consequences that these asshats are facing for their particular brand of bullshit is that they are being silenced, because they should not be saying the things that they are. Plain and simple. is speech a right, sure, until it’s abused, and then the rights of the many override the right to speech of the few.

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      • Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I hope we agree that we don’t want them to ever normalize again. Just like there need to be rules to prevent people from tricking others, there need to be rules to prevent the spread of hatred that we know(!) leads to millions of innocents getting killed.

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I respectfully disagree, if we think speech is a human right, it has to be for everyone, or it’s for no one.

        Let’s say you own a cafe with an open mic night. One day, someone comes in to the open mic night and starts yelling racist slogans and repeating Nazi rhetoric.

        You can let them continue because you’re a free speech absolutist, and lose your customers, or you can kick him out.

        There is no difference between this and what Apple or YouTube does except for scale.

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      • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ok, I’ll try to explain the issue with that. Do I have the right to pay someone to kill you? No. Then there’s already a limitation on my speech AND use of private property. How can we reconcile that with free speech? By thinking about why free speech or any human rights matters. I could go on a dissertation here, but I’ll skip what is easy to find online anyway and jump to the conclusion: human rights are positive rights that are intended to protect human dignity (in the philosophical sense of the indivisible and equal worth of all human life), so it follows that free speech only applies to speech that doesn’t go against that goal. If you don’t do this exercise you end up with the Paradox of Tolerance and all human rights crumble like a house of cards.

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      • GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He can make his own website. Look up LAMP and get to work. You can’t actually be deplatformed from the entire internet so this argument is moot.

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    • Miqo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Whilst I understand your point Iggy/miles sonkin the defacto leader is on record of saying the following when talking of treatment of women:

    Let’s not kid ourselves this is Pavlovian conditioning!

    I can’t see why anyone would allow them to retain access to anyplatform. Looks like a cult, acts like a cult, it is a cult!

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  • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    so you’d be the person to give the nazis a platform

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    • wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “I’m not saying they deserve a platform, they deserve a web app” - jet the absolute doofus

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  • spitfire@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The huge problem with everyone shifting from Reddit is there is the echo chamber and hive mind is going to build back up with it. Most people can’t seem to be nuanced enough to appreciate your comment because they’re seething so much over who the subject is. Liberty is deserved amongst all, not just those you agree with.

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    • xkforce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You know what? I am fine with a hive mind that collectively decided nazis should be punched and andrew human trafficker tate should be deplatformed.

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      • spitfire@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sounds like you’re on par with the nazis yourself there buddy. Keep advocating violence and censorship 🤌

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    • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Appreciate your post. I find it incredibly ironic too, because the fediverse, and Lemmy specifically are open platforms designed exactly against deplatforming as well.

      We are all communicating on the platform designed exactly for this scenario. I appreciate that people are going to react and have their own strong opinions, but we’re standing on the foundation of freedom that extends to everyone.

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      • natecox@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The fediverse (Lemmy included) deplatforms people all the time; it’s called defederation and it’s built into the core of the architecture.

        Even platforms built on openness, such as Lemmy, understand the need to not provide a platform to violence, bigotry, and exploitation.

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      • ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re being reasonable. That doesn’t fly here my friend.

        I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
        Evelyn Beatrice Hall, 1906

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  • ZeroCool@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    k

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  • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly, both sides should be heard.

    One sides says that women should be able live without being in constant fear of assault and harassment, and the other says that women are pieces of meat , to be used and thrown away.

    Both have equal merit, and should definitely be in public discourse.

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• nxfsi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I didn’t care about deplatforming until Elon banned me on Twitter for dunking on him

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  • t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can’t say I’m surprised, he can be a reactionary douche.

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