Comment on Apple removes app created by Andrew Tate

jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why would you support / advise these fukn ahats?

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  • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t support them at all. I don’t believe in their cause. I don’t believe in their messaging.

    Philosophically I’m against all deep platforming, and I’m pointing out that if you want to prevent yourself from being deplatformed, you have to liberate yourself from app stores which have strong opinions.

    So I will provide deep platforming advice to anyone, for any reason, because I believe everyone should have a voice.

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    • Nythos@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Racists, sexists and homophobes do not deserve a platform from which they can continue to spew their vitriol.

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      • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I respectfully disagree, if we think speech is a human right, it has to be for everyone, or it’s for no one.

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      • Miqo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Whilst I understand your point Iggy/miles sonkin the defacto leader is on record of saying the following when talking of treatment of women:

      Let’s not kid ourselves this is Pavlovian conditioning!

      I can’t see why anyone would allow them to retain access to anyplatform. Looks like a cult, acts like a cult, it is a cult!

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    • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      so you’d be the person to give the nazis a platform

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      • wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “I’m not saying they deserve a platform, they deserve a web app” - jet the absolute doofus

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    • spitfire@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The huge problem with everyone shifting from Reddit is there is the echo chamber and hive mind is going to build back up with it. Most people can’t seem to be nuanced enough to appreciate your comment because they’re seething so much over who the subject is. Liberty is deserved amongst all, not just those you agree with.

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      • xkforce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You know what? I am fine with a hive mind that collectively decided nazis should be punched and andrew human trafficker tate should be deplatformed.

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      • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Appreciate your post. I find it incredibly ironic too, because the fediverse, and Lemmy specifically are open platforms designed exactly against deplatforming as well.

        We are all communicating on the platform designed exactly for this scenario. I appreciate that people are going to react and have their own strong opinions, but we’re standing on the foundation of freedom that extends to everyone.

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    • ZeroCool@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      k

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    • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly, both sides should be heard.

      One sides says that women should be able live without being in constant fear of assault and harassment, and the other says that women are pieces of meat , to be used and thrown away.

      Both have equal merit, and should definitely be in public discourse.

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  • nxfsi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I didn’t care about deplatforming until Elon banned me on Twitter for dunking on him

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    • t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can’t say I’m surprised, he can be a reactionary douche.

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What not knowing the paradox of intolerance does to a mfer:

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  • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ll bite: for ideologies that are dangerous, they should be illegal. That would require a public discussion, a law, and a court to identify the perpetrators as breaking the law. Then they get depatformed.

    The issue is not tolerating the intolerable, the issue is what is the process for identifying what is intolerable?

    My original comment, was about an open internet, progressive web apps enable a more open internet with less non-judicial gatekeepers.

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And who should be having that discussion? Faux News?

      This fuckwit is not being persecuted by the government. He’s being kicked out of Apple’s private playground.

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      • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not saying Apple shouldn’t do that. They’re private organization they’re free to do as they like.

        I brought up progressive web apps to indicate how people can use the internet with less non-judicial gatekeepers

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    • Skwerls@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not what’s intolerable, it’s what’s intolerant. Misogyny is clearly intolerant of women.

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  • Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    this one ?

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    • Gsus4@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sounds right, what is that comic replying to?

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• SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Should the service providers that host PWAs and their databases be forced to serve them if their content violates their policies?

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  • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, as private companies they can have AUPs.

    But if you view internet service providers, as common carriers, i.e. telecommunition utilities - then yes they should be forced to, unless it’s illegal.

    But let’s say the unpopular app is self hosting its own website, serving its own PWA from its own servers, as long as there isn’t a court order, I don’t think utilities should shut them down.

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    • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But if you view internet service providers, as common carriers, i.e. telecommunition utilities - then yes they should be forced to, unless it’s illegal.

      Forced to how exactly? This isn’t forcing a company to provide water for an individual, this is forcing a company to provide non-essential services to a business.

      Can the provider raise prices? Can they change their contract? Are they forced to provide these services in perpetuity?

      But let’s say the unpopular app is self hosting its own website, serving its own PWA from its own servers, as long as there isn’t a court order, I don’t think utilities should shut them down.

      Oh, that would be great actually, I hope they do that.

      That way, they’ll get doxed within 5.2 seconds of the app going live and everybody will know the people on the app.

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      • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you view them as private companies, then they can have opinions and they can’t be forced.

        If you view them as utilities, like the water company and the power company, then they have to be forced to provide equal services for equal pay to all people.

        It’s up to you to decide which internet infrastructure counts as utility, there’s a lot of debate around that.

        I would also like them to self host. I’m not sure they’d get doxed, we know it’s Andrew Tate after all, but they would get DDoSed. Plus his fans tend to be the kind of people who tell you they’re his fans. And they follow him on social media. They’re not exactly hiding

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    • JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why are you talking about internet service providers? This is an article about the app store. The app store is in no way a common carrier. Neither is any operating system. Neither is any hardware platform.

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• JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think these guys should look into not being such dumb fucking incel losers.

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• Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Progressive web apps are great, i wish more people use it. 👍

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  • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m really impressed with crypt.ee and voyager. PWAs really should be the future.

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    • spitfire@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I love the concept of crypt.ee, I just don’t have enough usage to justify the cost. I’m trying out voyager now though! Any other recommendations?

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      • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I already listed the two PWAs I use daily.

        I don’t use it personally, but I’m very impressed with Starbucks. They made their app a PWA!

        app.starbucks.com

        Tinder, Spotify, Uber, telegram, etc…

        PWAs are kind of like a silent revolution, they’re sneaking in, they’re coming! But it’s mostly companies that either believe in open software, or are trying to tap into emerging markets that don’t have phones that can support the full fat app so the faster PWA makes sense.

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  • wosat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I wish Apple wouldn’t restrict them as much as they do.

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• jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just a clear up a lot of the comments below, I will not respond to any Godwin bait. I will respond to every comment I believe is in good faith.

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