Islam is the path forward for the West (and the rest of the world)
Yeah no
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s been like that for a while (how did they get stomach chattle slavery, or the native genocide, or murdering brown people around the globe like Nam?), it’s the reason the rest of the world is very wary of Americans even if they don’t come in tanks and jets. Even Western Europeans are wary of Americans at this point, and they’re basically the same community!
I think that Roman Catholicism and offshoots (not the message of Jesus, but the unholy creation of the empire) are partly to blame, primarily the disinfo of Paul, the fed, with his “faith without works” and “you’ll be saved if you become a man worshipping polytheist!”. Ideology is very malleable, so we can do something about it, but Nietzsche already pointed to the struggle like 200 years ago and a solution proposed by the locals with local ideological tools hasn’t been found yet. Islam is the path forward for the West (and the rest of the world), but ofc you hate to hear it, even if it would offer an ideological framework based on the belief in God and objective morality (you gotta act right to save yourself, more or less Jesus’ message for everyone who’s actually read the Sermon of the Mount, for instance)… don’t forget that that gut reaction has been fostered by the powers that be in the same way that it was for the Japanese, the Vietnamese, the natives, the Africans, and now the Mexicans and Chinese. Maybe there’s something there, huh?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Replacing godheads and debating minute dogmatic differences between colonizer/authoritarian religions is not going to change things for the better. We’ve been doing that for millennia.
Emphasizing historical learning and perspectives from the breadth of the world as well as modern civic humanist principles in our communities sounds a lot more effective to me than replacing one fictitious narcissistic sky daddy with another. Go peddle your ancient brainrot elsewhere.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I really don’t think “we” have, certainly the West hasn’t (with even the term “sky daddy” showing the clear anthropomorphic nature of God in the Western man’s mind, because amoral paganism never left it was just superficially transformed…). The vast majority of people won’t hold themselves accountable when the pleasures of this world are too enticing if they don’t feel like they’ll be unavoidably held accountable by a higher power. With discernment, integrity, selflessness and a clear heart it’s possible to do so to a certain/great extent, but these traits are secondary in the West, where overpowering violence, trickery and the capacity to acquire goods and satisfy yourself are paramount. But whatever, I guess we’ll see.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I personally think people who do things because they fear retribution from sky daddy are the weakest of minds easily exploited by propaganda. Religious thought lead to malleable minds easily exploitable by religious leaders.
Religion is not the source of our social bounds and morality rather a parasite of control left over from ancient times. A vestigial organ that no longer has a use in the face of science but lives on in the body regardless.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
Religious thought leads to malleable minds easily exploitable
I would say all magical thinking does this. This is why I say that things like astrology and homeopathy are not “harmless” but are rather actively harming the fabric of society by being accepted.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Religion is not the source of our social bounds and morality rather a parasite of control left over from ancient times.
Not the person you’re replying to, but I’m am atheist or an agnostic and even I’m not so sure about that.
When given the idea that there is no retribution or reprocussion for their actions, many people become nihilistic and act terribly.
I agree that it’s weak to need a “sky daddy” to act properly, but many people are weak.
Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 1 day ago
… wut.
If anything, Atheism is the way forward.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Atheism is no way, it’s intellectually lazy, and cowardly fence-sitting that leads to/reinforces hedonistic nihilism and moral relativism. Atheism is the way like suicide is, and mostly something fall into by default, or emotional pain, or the need to feel unwatched and unaccountable so one can do nonsense, not some sort of “transcendental wisdom” that Europe came up with, lol. Even for Nietzsche, this is a tragedy (because he’s not a dummy!) without precedent, and something that needs to be corrected ASAP. If God is dead in the West, something needs to fill the God-shaped hole. Ideally, it’s God, but evidently it hasn’t been for ages (if some form of righteous monotheism even “trickled down” from Roman Catholicism to begin with!) and the results in their societies (amoral and selfish “get the bag” mentality, sexual depravity that’s applauded and openly talked about and taken as virtue/lightly, people living by inertia and for pleasure because they have no purpose nor do they even care to think about it, the “loneliness epidemic”, etc etc.) are very noticeable.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
I think believing things without evidence is intellectually lazy. Atheism is the default position. I only believe in one less god than you.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
What is the “evidence” behind moral stances?
Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 1 day ago
Sorry, the absence of god isn’t a hole. It means being a moral person for rational reasons and not because some author of a fairy tale, who also say things like “it’s cool to kill some people”, said so. Even if it ‘was a hole’, filling it with proper education is far superior in all respects.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 hours ago
It’s kind of wild… But I used to listen to atheist call in shows, and you’d be shocked about some of the things these people try to argue.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You can’t science/big brain yourself into morals, you either believe in it or not (again, check Hume’s fork and the is-ought problem, the wise men in your tribe already talked about this!). And it’s not about believing in tales, but finding yourself in/agreeing the words of the prophets (like their moral lessons) enough that you start considering the background ideology of what they’re saying and then one day you’re a well-read God fearing man.