Comment on Are we deprogramming empathy in the US?

• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  For me it’s at least partially based on mutual aid, something that we also see in nature. Helping other people helps me.

  That said, I’m not sure why you’re so convinced that morals need to be based on anything. I have empathy, that means I don’t want harm to come to others. It’s really that simple.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Of course you do, you were made that way, we all were! Religion/belief in a set of principles in an axiomatic, non debatable way just provide good guidance, a handrail in case your eyes get too big and, idk, you end up president of the free world and Raytheon wants to bribe you and you want a new yacht so you push for war in a far away land. Our nature can only go so far, for the rest of the time you will need a code and something to keep you accountable to it that’s bigger and outside of yourself, and Abrahamic monotheism helps us do that.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You’re right, only nonreligious people have done bad things. Do you really want to go down that route? Religion is responsible for more death and destruction than any other force in human history.

      I actually find it kind of offensive what you’re implying here about my morality.

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      • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Were the words of the prophets used to justify chattle slavery? How? Or do you mean they say “oh btw God wants us to murder and pillage over there so we’re just gonna do that” regardless of any religious moral teaching already put in place. “Thou shall not kill” is pretty simple and straightforward, ngl. And raping kids when you’re not even supposed to lust over women besides your wife? And we haven’t even gotten to Jesus, nvm Muhammad! And the one European religious American (meaning they actually read their book and internalised it), cause there’s always one just to prove to their community that there’s a better way forward even if they don’t listen to him, was judged and executed by his peers. His name was John Brown!

        Yes, shitty people are shitty people, and they’ll use whatever excuse to justify themselves and trick others. But righteous monotheists/otherwise religious (?) wouldn’t, they’d be shitty for a moment in lapse in judgement and then feel like shit cause they actually care about not being villains and about the destiny of their souls. Just because many so-called religious figures, specially in the West but worldwide ofc, committed atrocities and then blatantly lied about their beliefs doesn’t mean the actual beliefs they didn’t hold are invalid! That just means that once again, because you will judge people on their words (and the natives knew some of y’all are forked tongued individuals, so how don’t you know that about your own community?!) and not their deeds (“by their fruits you will recognise them”), you got swindled. Do you believe Trump when he says he wants to help his fellow Americans or mentions God here and there? Lol

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