Comment on Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Exactly, but I don’t see anything keeping them from selling the Frame at a loss or tight margin. What else are you going to use that with but Steam games?

  Even the Steam Controller is useless without Steam Input, but I’d argue it won’t necessarily sell more games. Maybe they could include it with the Steam Machine for “free” to bump the price of the machine up enough to not make sense for a company, but still sell it at a tight margin to sell more games.

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  • Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why would they sell any hardware at a loss at all? Console manufacturers do it to lock people into their ecosystem and sell them games at a premium, Valve doesn’t need that, people are already overwhelmingly favoring their store.

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    • Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The same reason people go into debt for a burrito. It’s easier for people to justify a smaller cost now, and valve will make than money back later with extra games sold, especially in the case of the Frame.

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      • Inkstainthebat@pawb.social ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        As someone who loves VR gaming, isn’t that a lot of faith for the unpredictable at best market that is VR games?

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• entwine@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Lol this reminds me of that time the US Air Force built a giant compute cluster using PlayStation 3s. Idk if Sony sold those at a loss, but they certainly didn’t see any game purchases coming from the US Department of Defense

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  • UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I guess this small articles provides us with the beginning of an answer? engadget.com/2010-02-05-playstation-3-still-a-los…

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• Datz@szmer.info ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I was thinking that they might require a Steam account to order, the same way they stopped scalpers for Steam Deck, but there’d be ways around that.

  It’d be hilarious if you needed something like “profile level 10” to order though.

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  • StopSpazzing@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ohhh only allowed to buy steam level / 10 whole numbers only. I could get 9. Woot.

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• Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Was it confirmed that you can install Windows? The video said software, I don’t remember that you could install any operating system. It comes with an Arch Linux.

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  • Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I found an answer on the Steam Machine page: Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it’s still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer?

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    • Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hearing that is so refreshing. Microsoft/Google would never put something like that on their website because you are the product.

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’d be really funny if it’s designed specifically not to meet Windows 11’s arbitrary requirements. You can install Linux though! :D

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They said that you can change it if you want, but did they say they will provide Windows drivers for their semi-custom Ryzen chip?

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      • rbos@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’d be interesting seeing Microsoft in a position where the vendor isn’t automatically making their drivers for them. It’s a massive advantage they have.

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      • Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I just realized that “another operating system” can mean so many things that aren’t Windows.

        We need to be patient and wait until some crazy people defile their Steam Machine for Internet points.

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      • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m pretty sure that is up to AMD and not Valve.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can install Windows on the Steam Deck (psychos), so I imagine it’ll be like that.

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    • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “Hello chat! Today’s challenge is to make the Steam Deck lose 20% of its performance. I can’t wait to get started!”

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Look at their website. It pretty explicitly states you can do with the Gabe Cube whatever you want. Including changing the OS.

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You can install OSX on there /s

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    • rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hackingtosh Steam Machine will definitely happen.

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      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨45⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        🤮

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• overload@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I see what you mean, but this device is a little overtuned for an office PC, at least GPU wise.

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There are quite a few office jobs that benefit from a decent CPU. Anything to do with images/photos/video/rendering for example.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Plus PCs cost fuck all compared to staff, may as well get them efficient tools if they will be using them a lot.

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      • IMALlama@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re 100% correct at a sane company. At my employer the hardware team is incentivised to cut costs and impacts to productivity are someon else’s problem. Corporate metrics lead to some pretty hilarious situations.

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