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• kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  *Some of these people. Many have been outright deceived, and many others (people living in trailers, I mean) are and have long been fully opposed to all of this lunacy.

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  • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not some. All. We all got to live through his first term and the failed insurrection with the Jan 6ers. The fact they voted for him a third time is proof they didn’t care about any of that.

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    • kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This assumes that we’re all receiving the same information about what all’s going on, which is very definitely not the case. Literally watch 5 minutes of fox news and compare what you hear to the actual events they’re contorting. The difference is basically immediate and painfully obvious. That is only one of a countless many arms in what is one of the most wide-spread and thoroughly controlled propaganda campaigns in history.

      We all lived through the first term, but some devious steps were taken to ensure that different groups were receiving very different coverage. This is getting harder for them to do now that the consequences of their lies are starting to outwiegh the lies themselves, but many of these people were and are still being fed bold-faced lies right along with the same kind of propaganda that literal cults deploy. The sort of mind ganes that are used in order to prevent their victims from ever individually coming to the conclusion that something is very fucking wrong. They are running near-every inch of an information ecosystem that traps their victims by making them completely repellent to the sane, effectively isolating most of them from the people that could otherwise help them see reason.

      Many of them understand whats actually happening and are going along because of the hate within them. But many others are being manipulated through well tested and well documented means, which are being deployed in a novel way (via these high control/high volume digital ecosystems) and on a scale that we have not yet had enough time to learn how to properly combat.

      They are basically breaking people down, isolating them, and driving them into a useful simulacrum of insanity, if not outright madness. It is a mistake to forget the shades of grey and the humanity that underlines every decision made, both among the perpetrators and the victims alike. If the goal is to do what’s right rather than punish anyone and everyone who wasn’t perfect to your standard, then these distinctions really and truly matter. Some of them need rehabilitation, and others need the full brunt of what these rotten choices should earn them. They’re just not a monolith.

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      • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A lot of the propaganda these isolated people are fed dehumanizes those whom Trump and the Republican party wish to target. These “victims” of propaganda shouldn’t be sympathized with or even pitied because they each have a conscience that they deliberately silenced in order to feel as part of something greater than themselves. Even if these people are somehow rehabilitated this time it’s very obvious they’ll fall back to the same patterns that got us into this mess to begin with.

        The only effective way to break the cycle is to destroy the propaganda machine and force a change in the very culture and identity they’re a part of. You’re right these people aren’t a monolith, but you see some recurring themes like nationalism, Christianity, pride in ignorance, and toxic individualism that conservatives just know how to leverage to drive them into a frenzy.

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  • Jerkface@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve spent a lot of time in similar living situations and I agree. What I see most of about this intersection is fear. I had neighbors that didn’t trust Democrats and almost certainly voted for Trump, but they sure as hell didn’t trust him either.

    In their case, I believe they were looking for an out. The previous Democratic president didn’t help them at all, in their view. And Trump probably wouldn’t, either. I mean, really. What an absolute doorknob. But from their perspective, maybe getting things off the rails might get them in a better position overall. Low chance of that ever happening, but the only one they had.

    Again, this my impression of their perspective from living nextdoor to them for years.

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