Comment on How Much Does It Cost to Charge an Electric Vehicle? (A comparison at home and on the road, with gasoline)

zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Gasoline comes from oil. Electricity comes from coal. Or oil. Or natural gas. Or nuclear. Or hydro. Or wind. Or solar. Or hamsters running on wheels. The renewable options are there and they’re only becoming more prevalent.

  Also, power plants scale much better at producing large amounts of energy more efficiently than a bunch of tiny little engines make a car go. So sure, coal plays a part in feeding an electric car, but if you’re going to advocate against it anyway you’re missing the bigger picture.

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  • totallynotarobot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If there are any hamsterologists here I’d very much like to see the math on hamster charging of EVs please

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  • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i ll edit my comment to ‘fossil and non renewables (nuclear)’ instead of ‘coal’. hopefully the point would get through some of ur (few) brain wrinkles, and i mean this to all people who share this same trait

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    • projectd@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So you realise that you’re parroting the same thing all over the place and you know it’s probably not accurate? Here’s a challenge for you - approach this topic like something you’ve not researched before without your existing opinions and try and reach an answer as to whether electric cars are better or worse for the environment by being as scientific and objective as possible.

      Because I keep coming across comments similar to yours, I have taken that same challenge myself to make sure I’m on the right track and there was a lack of compelling sources suggesting that electric cars are worse for the environment.

      I invite everyone with the alternative view to the same challenge.

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    • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have seen your comments before. They show you lack a basic understanding of EV charging and when you get called out over basic points like “most people don’t need to charge their full battery capacity overnight” you ignore it.

      At least you made this reply.

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      • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        :/

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• Landmammals@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If only it were possible to generate power without burning coal.

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• partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  EV home charging is cheap, but it costs us the environement: using utility electricity generated from coal plants (so is supercharging)

  Only 8 states in the USA still generate the majority of the their electricity from coal. Its none of the big populated ones.

  Coal use continues to decline in the USA while renewables continue to increase:

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  • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the rest is whether: nuclear, or fossil, which all are finite and non renewables. only a small fraction are renewables

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    • DarkShaggy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not true. Near 50% for CA. One of the largest stars in the USA.

      2022, renewable resources, including hydroelectric power and small-scale, customer-sited solar power, accounted for 49% of California’s in-state electricity generation. Natural gas fueled another 42%. Nuclear power supplied almost all the rest.

      www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#:~:text=In 2022%2C rene….

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      • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The world doesn’t revolve only around CA. what about the rest of the world, where EVs are used ?

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    • ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Give us a chart instead.

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• BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The gas you burn in a car is 100% carbon-based. The energy in your home is usually not. It’s a mix of carbon-based and renewables. Also, your local coal plant is much more energy-efficient than your engine which probably hasn’t been tuned up in years.

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  • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even if you have an EV charging on a shitty coal power plant, it’s still vastly more efficient than putting a small, personal power plant in a car and carrying around gasoline to burn. A modern EV uses the equivalent of about 3 gallons of gas to go 300 miles.

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    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And has a lot more torque, is quieter, doesn’t need to turn off, etc. Ot amazes me how much resistance there is to EVs when they’re superior in a lot of ways. Not all, but they’re making huge strides quickly.

      Personally I can’t wait to see the end of big oil’s iron grip on transportation. They’ve lied to us all for decades and gotten away with it for far too long. It’s time to pay up.

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      • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think big oil is behind a lot of the resistance to EVs in a subtle way. For example, my conservative neighbor the other day was complaining about the weight of EVs compared to ICE cars, and how they’re damaging the roads. That sort of talking point doesn’t just arise naturally. I’m sure it was a coordinated messaging push by ICE car manufacturers and oils and gas stake holders, ultimately aiming at reduced EV adoption and a reduction in taxes on gasoline.

        Maybe I’m just a conspiracy theorist, but my bullshit alarm went off immediately at the idea of those types of ideas popping into the public consciousness organically.

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• red@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Even if 100% of EV charging was by burning oil/coal, the power plants still manage this with greater efficiency than the internal combustion engine on your car. That means that even at it’s worst, it’s still way more environmentally friendly to drive an EV.

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• megalodon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This argument makes no sense. ICE cars have no option other than fossil fuels. Charging at home the electricity will at least be from some renewable sources, and the percentage is always increasing.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not to mention that even coal power plants generate energy at far cleaner rates than ICE.

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• MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not all countries use legacy energy sources. Iceland is 100% renewables (hydroelectric and geothermal) and Quebec is 100% hydroelectric…

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• frezik@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m glad you’ve pointed out that we haven’t solved every single problem at the same time. We never would have known without this blazing insight.

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• jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You are aware that internal combustion engines also use non-renewables at a much lower efficiency than grid-scale use of non-renewables, right?

  Were you aware that only ~1/3 the energy from combustion is harnessed for propulsion in a traditional ICE?

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  • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    probably even 1/4…an EV charged from fossil electricity saves only 33% on emissions compared to a fossil car. personally if i am paying 40k$ for an EV i am expecting my purchase to act as a contribution to safeguard the environement, not only to save on repair costs and mileage, but thats my personal preference… a Tesla costs 40k$ at least, while a 40kwh nissan leaf costs 30k$, and there s no in-between, EVs are a pass for me for now but thats my opinion. Hope i am allowed to have one.

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    • jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      an EV charged from fossil electricity saves only 33% on emissions compared to a fossil car

      Or, stated more honestly, an EV deriving electricity from even fossil-based grid-scale generation uses roughly half the raw combustables as an ICE with the added benefit of emission scrubbing.

      if i am paying 40k$ for an EV i am expecting my purchase to act as a contribution to safeguard the environement

      We are fortunate, then, that this is already the case.

      EVs are a pass for me for now but thats my opinion.

      I’m not sure how you’ve determined they should be a pass - if you’re comparing like to like and comparing to new ICE vehicles of similar capability, there’s no reason not to go EV for most people.

      But sure, it is a matter of preference.

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• onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My solar panels beg to differ.

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• ciaocibai@lemmy.nz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wait so the NZ government is lying to me about our renewable energy sources? And my home solar panels are just faking the energy production? Or did you forget the world is more than just that place you live in?

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• JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Unless you have a dedicated source of renewable energy that does not feed excess back into the grid, all the electricity you use has the exact same mix of fossil and renewable as the grid you’re connected to.

  That is an argument for improving the fuel sources used by the grid, not an argument against switching to things that can physically be powered by renewables.

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  • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Megapacks can be used to phase out fossil plants and avoid excess electricity, thus growing the share of renewable sources in the energy mix

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    • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Heroic effort to shoe-horn in some irrelevant Musk spam.

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      • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        :/

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