Comment on ANTI PEE PAINT
unruffled@anarchist.nexus 1 day ago
If enough public toilets were actually provided, this would not be a problem that needs solving.
Right I’m sure the people who piss in our gateway, mysteriously every Friday and Saturday while bellowing at each other, are homeless rather than smashed out of their tiny troglodyte minds.
Hamburg has a vast number of tourists, which makes it even worse, because tourists don’t have to live in the city they’re pissing all over, nor see again the person they flashed because the fumbled pulling up their pants.
If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?
If they would still choose the wall, do you think the paint is going to deter them?
How much money was spent for people to learn to piss at an angle so that they don’t get splash back?
You can’t build public toilets every 50m and make sure it stays clean. Anything further than 50m and a drunk person will just piss to the next wall/bush/corner as they can’t be bothered with finding a proper restroom in many cases. Its not as simple as you make it out to be.
Great, now keep going down the questions I posed. I didn’t say anything about building toilets.
The point I’m making is that this paint won’t do a thing except cost money.
If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?
Have you ever been around drunk tourists before? The answer is yes
You have to keep going down the questions, don’t just stop at the first.
10 drunk tourist that piss on your wall or 40 people (sober and not) that piss on your wall?
They have walked out of a club with a toilet five minutes ago. How frequently do you want there to be toilets?
Keep going down the list of questions, I’ve already accounted for other reasons why this is a dumb idea
Oh, you mean the gross, overcrowded toilet that is typical of clubs? Weird that they didn’t want to use that. I wonder why that could be?
Yeah, not everything is about the homeless. Are there actually many homeless in Munich, compared to rude tourists?
Not nearly enough, especially near the transit.
“The transit”? There is transit all over Hamburg and there are three directly outside the Hauptbahnhof.
If people are still peeing in the street there, then it’s not enough.
I don’t understand how hard that is to understand for some people.
I have never met someone who’d rather piss in the streets than in a toilet if given the choice. The answer is always, always, ALWAYS “not enough free, clean, accessible toilets”
The answer is drunk people.
I was once walking home with a drunk housemate who pissed in the street a few minutes away from home. Also “clean” does not enter into it. The street is not clean.
You haven’t met enough drunk people.
So to you it is axiomatic that the problem is insufficient toilets. You cannot understand that there are people - usually drunk - who will not use a toilet unless they are already inside it. It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination, so maybe a multi-pronged approach including discouraging people from doing so is more sensible.
We’ve already been doing the later. And how has that been working out?
You are correct, that I cannot understand something that I’ve never seen, or even heard of. I’ve seen shitfaced people stumble into restrooms pretty frequently. I’ve never seen someone say “I know there is a toilet less than a block from here, but I’d rather piss on the wall!”. But I hear the opposite all the time: “Man, I wish I didn’t have to piss out here, but the nearest toilet is a mile away”.
It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination…
Citation needed.
Stop making excuses. If people are still peeing on the streets they are lazy drunken degenerates.
i’ve seen more studies saying the answer is more free toilets that i’ve seen everyone is just lazy degenerates. in fact. i haven’t seen any studies that concluded everyone is just lazy degenerates. maybe i’m reading the wrong studies?
Most of these are not free, according to your second link.
Exactly. First off, this happened 10 years ago when I still lived exactly there. It was a marketing campaign by the local “business improvement district”, i.e. the companies that basically owned half of the quarter. The main complaint of the residents was that every time the BID organized huge festivals, they didn’t provide enough public toilets. This “solution” did nothing because drunk party-goers from out of town don’t “learn” anything from this. Also, most places wouldn’t let you go to the loo on their premises if you didn’t buy anything.
But the good news is that in 2020, 2022 and last year they actually just opened new public toilets in these areas. I imagine this very confusing solution actually helped.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
yeah this is actually about hating the homeless, not about making a city cleaner
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Haha look, we made the man who sleeps in the alley pee on himself!
What a great world
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
While generally a promising approach, in the case of St Pauli, Hamburg it might be different. Yes there are lots of homeless people, but there are also LOTS of randoms going there to get drunk and be their worst behavior. Its part of the spirit of that place.
Anyways “not by authority” is bs imo. An electrical fence is also “direct feedback”, or razor barbed wire and you wouldn’t dare calling those non-authority
Iambus@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Then they shouldn’t be pissing on walls.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 1 day ago
And - well I was going to say surprisingly, but its really not - the post I saw just before this was about transit use and a fear of violence. Which, of course, is ultimately due to not addressing the unhoused.