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Makeitstop@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Muaddib@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think in the socialist utopia where everyone does only what they want to do, there would be shopkeepers. I’ve volunteered at a food bank, and I quite enjoyed it. I don’t think anyone would spend their life a shopkeeper. I think people would wander in, do it for a few months, and then move on.

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  • BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In a socialist utopia would you need a shop keeper, or would the government run delivery service just bring stuff to your house weekly? I’m thinking back to my youth when the milkman (or woman) would drive their electric truck to each house and drop off milk, cream and orange juice every morning.

    Then the sparrows or tits would come and Peck holes in the top of the cream and gobble the good stuff off the top.

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• kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So here’s the thing… In between the land of “shitty service jobs” and the land of “fully automated luxury” lies the vast desert of “reverse-centaurs”.

  Right now, when “AI” takes over 60% of a job, that remaining 40% becomes a brutal dehumanizing gauntlet: the “human-in-the-loop” becomes a peripheral for the computer, manipulated into working at the speed that the computer prefers, like Lucy in the chocolate factory, until they’re used up and replaced. Think Amazon warehouse pickers or drivers.

  Part of the problem is that this exploitation is hidden from consumers. When we see a fellow laborer suffering horrible conditions in a public-facing service job, we’re much more likely to throw a fit than when they’re hidden behind a sleek UI.

  With no guarantee that we’ll ever make it through to the other side of the desert, I’d be perfectly content to stay on this side of it.

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  • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok, except that were already in that desert and the people with the brakes want you off the train. AI and automation are happening. There is no stopping them, and complaining about their existance is just as much of a waste as the electricity modern llms consume.

    Its not an option. Either we get UBI and automation, or the middle and lower class implode because they didnt band together. Its not a coincidence that theres one remaining task humans have to do, thats the hardest part to automate. But its absurd to think it cant be automated, as humans are able to do it. If a human can do it, a machine can be programmed to do it better. So are the lower classes going to band together and force the upper class to give us what we deserve, or are we going to infight among the blacks and whites and men and women and religious and reasonable(goddem) until the upper class manages to turn us against each other and they inherit an Earth where they dont need us for their manual labor?

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  • Makeitstop@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am not saying that we will necessarily go down the road to fully automated luxury, or that if we do that the journey there would go smoothly. The current “AI” bubble is an unsustainable mess which is causing a lot more problems than it solves. In the long term, we are looking at the development of incredibly powerful and dangerous technologies that can potentially reshape society.

    I mainly just wanted to highlight the weird, shortsighted reasoning behind this post. The argument that we need to keep cashiers so that we have a human connection feels a lot like arguments for going back to an agrarian lifestyle. It’s a losing argument that requires glossing over a lot of downsides and ignoring much better alternatives.

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• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Extremely good take. Thank you! So well-worded.

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• sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  we ought to use that to free people from the need to work. Give us UBI

  I share these sentiments, but that’s never going to be how these technologies are employed. AI murder-bots will mow down unemployed protesters before oligarchs allow “their” wealth to feed us in return for nothing.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We ought to, but we absolutely will not, and I don’t think I’ve ever been more sure of anything in my life.

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• TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  THANK YOU SO FKIN MUCH.

  AI is a new means of production. Our goal must be to sieze it, use it to improve the lives of all and improve its capabilities. Our goal should NOT be to fight the means of production itself.

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  • Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Midwit take. AI doesn’t produce anything but homogenous slop. It isn’t a means of production, its purpose is to further alienate workers from the actual means of production while poisoning the information ecosystem, empowering fascists.

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  • BroBot9000@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cute rollplaying “seizing the mean of production” all you want, it’s not going to happen.

    Ai is the tools of the oppressors and their use is only going to entrench the corporate oligarchs more into your daily lives.

    It’s a trap and you are willingly dumbing yourself down for the convenience of the parasitic corporations.

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• Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  U all remember when you queued to buy a train ticket from a fellow behind a counter, and someone came and woke you up in the middle of the ride so they could clip it?

  So high quality human interaction, I miss it so much /s

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  • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having an actual person who can help you if the ticket machine is acting up or you’re an ignorant tourist or whatever is great actually

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  • Muaddib@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These days a security guard dressed as a cop wakes you up in the middle of the ride to scan your transit card.

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• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In a neoliberal society, having some human cashiers for the lonely people to have a natter to about their aches and grandkids while they ring up their groceries is as much human contact as one can ask for. This isn’t Communist 1970s Sweden, where the government employed social workers whose job was to check in on lonely old people.

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