He’s a huge racist and a trump loving MAGA. He isn’t getting hatemail for not liking Linux
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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Jesus christ! What the hell is wrong with people???
I’m on ZorinOS, but I gotta say, this is the dark ages of PC. Windows is full on dog shit, Mac always has been expensive as fuck, and Linux just doesn’t have the userbase to rely on companies making their programs available for the format.
On top of that linux has ALWAYS has had a very terminal based culture.
I’ve always said and continue to believe that linux CAN BE good for the average nontech minded folk. The way this happens is Flatpak becomes the dominant format in program installation. Terminal doesn’t have to change, it can still be used exactly as it is, but it takes a backseat in terms of how the system is presented to newbies.
If I look up how to fix X problem on linux, I should by default find a GUI based solution. YOU can still use terminal to do whatever you do. I myself don’t get it. The average user doesn’t get it. I find solutions online. They say “Put this command in terminal”. I do that, it goes as expected. And then “ok, now run these commands” and the first few go as expected. And then it will spit out some error that I don’t understand. “ERROR THE L LISTS AREN’T COMBOBULATED TO THE FCAP COMPORRIUM” or some shit. What the hell??? What am I supposed to do with that??? So you copy the error, ask online what it means, and they say “Oh, your L Lists just need to be updated to the new repository. Just sync your flabarts to the chukchuk.”
And thats about the time I lose my temper and decide to just get really drunk and watch the big bang on over the air tv, because what the hell does any of this matter anyways if I can’t even install a simple program, and update some drivers?
Now. Let’s rewind. What if linux, regardless of distro had the same flatpak store, the same interface for it, and some under the hood settings that are standard across the board? The rest of the distro can be whatever, but you should have a reliable way to change and update basic shit.
And for those of you like the guy in this threads photo, who are going to bombard me with death threats and insults, just consider this. People have been saying Windows is unusable dog shit since the 90s. Mac has always been unaffordable for most people. And Linux is free, and supposedly 1000% more stable in every way. Yet last time I looked, Linux, on the rise, had an all time high user base sharehold of 5.49% of the PC market. If you think I’m wrong, explain why Linux isn’t not just the leader, but the dominant leader. Being free AND better should make it the obvious choice, but it’s clearly not. There’s a reason for that. And it’s terminal.
Right now we’re living in the dark ages of PCs. We got windows at it’s all time worst, mac expensive as always, and linux still pushing users away by far.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Welp. That part I didn’t know.
Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows just fucking works. Bitch all you want about every other aspect of the OS. It just fucking works. And that’s all 99.995% of users give a shit about.
I install Windows, I expect every driver to work. Far cry from how it was back in the day! Linux? Well, good luck. The most basic shit will work, but you got weird problems to sort out.
And almost all of the Windows problems bitched about on here? I get downvoted every time I say, “Uh, I don’t have those issues.” Probably because I’m running a plain-vanilla ISO? I honestly don’t know.
Lemmy: “Fuck you! You DO have those issues! I read about it in a Linux-loving forum like lemmy!”
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Nobody gives a shit, you fucking nerd.
bryndos@fedia.io 6 months ago
Guess what, just like you dgaf about all the windows issues i have that you don't; i also dgaf about all the linux issues that you have that i don't.
It should be a mater of choice, but it isn't. I don't get a choice about windows for 7.5 hours a day because too many humans are fucking cunts - plus a lot of anti-competitive business practices and grooming lncompetence in corpo procurement . I don't really blame ms for that i blame people who keep paying them to make their shit worse, and the procurement rules that they come up with to bend themselves over that barrel.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Anyone can buy a computer that comes with Linux or a computer known to work well with Linux and have the same experience
chunes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s great until the first time you want to plug in a peripheral
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
When I’m shopping for one I simply consider Linux support a requirement. Same as you don’t just buy Xbox games and hope that they work in your ps5.
Tja@programming.dev 6 months ago
In 1995…
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My experience is installing the OS on any given PC or laptop. Of course a purpose-built machine, with the OS pre-tweaked, will rock out! No question!
But take any given machine, throw Win11 or a Linux ISO (take your pick) on there, you’re fucking about with Linux far more than Windows.
It’s not hard for people like us, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation in this forum. But “normal” people are going to struggle with getting Linux setup. And keep in mind, Linux is totally alien to people who have always used Windows.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Normal people should either buy a computer with Linux just like they would windows or Mac or google model of computer + Linux before buying.
Its weird to compare apples not only to oranges but to moldy oranges when this isn’t the actual user experience.
People who do continue to use Linux don’t just keep buying random hardware and hoping it works because they have search engines.
No onboarding process with randomly chosen hardware with hostile OEM is ever going to be good enough for people who are stupid lazy and cheap.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows just working! Lmao
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Been working with Windows for 30-years and Linux around 20. Yeah, Windows “just works”. Linux always needs fiddling.
I made “little old lady” computers and laptops for people who couldn’t afford my help. Take their old machine, upgrade with whatever spare parts I had, clean it up, load Linux Lite, fix all the drivers, “Here’s how to get your email and internet.”, done.
That worked because I did the OS fucking around up front. Starting with Win10, maybe even Win7, everything functioned well enough to run. You can’t tell me any given Linux ISO runs without fucking about, right out the box.
You and I aren’t your average user. Don’t put your experience on the others.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Funny, I did the same with Linux boxes and didn’t have nearly the amount of diddling you did. Guessing this was a skill issue, and it’s your choice in parts or OS. I made some decent scratch repurposing old business desktops/add/micro systems with Linux and it was easily the most profitable line item I had.
bryndos@fedia.io 6 months ago
Good for you - but that's not everyone's experience.
So don't put your experience on others either.I'm sure it works the other way round, just as often.
But that last time when my sister was literally filling out an RMA form for a perfectly functional disk drive because her brand new laptop wouldn't play a DVD. That was the last straw for me and windows. (except at work of course until/ unless I can get a better job).Windows, 20 minutes of being advertised at like the internet before pop-up blockers, being pushed to windows store to buy the film again from them, trying a few different media players from the store, various googling - i cant even remember if i was able to install vlc before giving up and going debian - fuck that, unusable, and she couldn't do it either, so that was at least two of us in the well-below-average slice of the distribution of windows users.
Linux mint live iso booted about 5-10 mins to burn it and boot, play dvd (I dont even think i had to install vlc). Plus a bit of time to figure out how to get the boot menu. So maybe she was above average in debian users?
Lumisal@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Unpopular opinion, but I partially agree with you.
Win 7 and 10 did pretty much mostly work out of the box. And during those times, Linux didn’t work as well always.
But with Win 11? Microsoft has fucked up. Not only do things not always work (the biggest issue I get is display drivers malfunctioning and Bluetooth/internet issues with updates), but certain Linux distros the hardware works better, which was really weird to come across. Specifically KDE Fedora stuff. I can actually control the brightness on a desktop easily from a software panel for example, instead of having to manually use the buttons on the monitor.
Even HDR recently breaks on Win 11 when it was working just fine, throwing off all the colors outside of the game you’re playing if you activate it for the game.
There’s also something you pointed out in your own comment that’s a benefit that Linux sort of had since even back then - the interface is easier to use than Windows. My dad always had issues figuring out how to use his computer to just browse the internet on Windows but finally learned on Ubuntu. But like you said, at the time, I had to set everything up first. Now? I’m pretty confident certain distros wouldn’t need that.
michaelalf@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Bazzite just works. Dual boot is king.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows has problems on a near constant basis. People are used to that but that doesn’t excuse it. I have used windows about 30 years myself, that’s how I know. It’s really a silly argument. If you used windows this long and are still willing to defend the massive issues it throws at its users, there is not much for me to say besides you shouldn’t.
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Almost certainly there alt. From post history they are an edgy ragebaiter