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• GrantsGhost@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It should

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  • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    you think people who own guns should be allowed to “do whatever they want” with them?

    how many mass shootings do we already have each week?

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    • GrantsGhost@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun.

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      • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        but the law is: just because you own something doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want with it.

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    • Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They can do whatever they want with them, that’s why we have shootings.

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      • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        no, they can’t, which is why they don’t just walk out free and clear after the massacre.

        lol

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    • Attacker94@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If they don’t break the law then yes

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• SARGE@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol

  So go pander to them.

  If I own something, I can do whatever I like with it because it’s mine.

  If I can’t do what I like, it’s not truly mine.

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  • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The state of having complete legal control of something;

      Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property,

      the act of having and controlling property

      Control is a key part of ownership. If circle controls what you can install on a device, it isn’t yours.

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nah, you control your google powered phone as in you can decide to sell it, throw it away, repair it, etc. You don’t get ownership of the software that it runs though, or what that updates Google send your way. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This isn’t true in regards to basically anything that runs closed source software. You can do whatever you can, but there are plenty of things you might want to do that you can’t do. That doesn’t mean you don’t own it.

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• teft@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore.

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  • Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its also funny how they edit their comment on their downvotes because it upset them.

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• Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Ownership” totally does mean it’s yours and you can do whatever you want with it.

  That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won’t have consequences.

  It just means your phone won’t stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won’t stop you from loading an unapproved bullet.

  It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download “unverified” apps.

  It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin’ at you, Tesla cars).

  It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry.

  It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it’ll work, just like your gun.

  It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun.

  Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad.

  What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer.

  It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer.

  Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun.

  Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun.

  Any inquiry into your phone’s contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun.

  Your phone won’t have a special police-only history of what you’ve used it for - like your gun.

  Your phone won’t report what you’ve been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won’t your gun.

  And so on.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ownership of a phone doesn’t mean that the makers of said phone have to give you the source code and build in ways for you to be able to do things they don’t want.

    Your own the device that does what it was advertised as. That’s it.

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    • Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “A phone’s schematics are publically available, like those of a gun”

      Now tell me where I’ve said that.

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• Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But that’s what it means. Or at least, it used to

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  • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it never meant that.

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    • Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn’t.

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      • blave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        not always, and what rights you may have vary widely depending on the object, the location, and who you are.

        so, I don’t know what your point is here other than that you’ve confused the word “ownership” with your own sense of entitlement

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• jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “A stitch in time saves nine”

  Wrong

  You can’t sew time

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah if you thought Reddit was delusional about things like rights and ownership you’ve come to the wrong place lol. Lemmy and blue sky are the only places in the internet that can make some of Reddit look even slightly intelligent.

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