Who is “we”? I didn’t participate or support in any of genocide joe’s miserable actions.
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Pavidus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is the point I keep reminding myself of. We had four years to do anything at all. We all knew version 2.0 would be back like deja vu but worse, and we (as a country) just let it.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Pavidus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is like a group project in school. Is it your fault that another member didn’t complete their part and the project received a failing grade? Nope. Did you still receive a failing grade? Yup. We failed. All of us. I’m with you that regular people aren’t to blame for the actions of the state, but that changes nothing. Here we are…with an F on the report card. I didn’t earn this grade, and neither did you. Now it’s on us to drag that grade back up, as a group.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We fucking tried telling everyone Biden wasn’t good enough, no neoliberal is good enough to have a D by their name.
Theyre conservatives who oppose change, but without all the stupid racist shit conservative voters want.
So don’t blame it on us “as a country” blame it on the the people that kept shoving neo liberals down our throats as the only other option.
It’s not some impossible task, the freaking DNC already kicked neo liberals to the curb, Schumer and Jeffries are coasting off their votes happening before the DNC vote, if it was the other way around wed have real leadership in the Senate/House already
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
I wish we could have had Biden for a second term instead of this bullshit.
Harris probably would have been amazing but people sat around and let Trump in and that’s a failure on the country and its voters.
KatakiY@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I voted Obama, Hillary, Biden and Harris. And the more important midterms/downballot
It’s a failure on the Democratic party. We know Republicans will always be controlled by the religious right, “The Economy”, and racists. I cant bring myself to expect them to be better.
Dems knew swing voters were hesitant and instead of providing an alternative other than “less bad” they moved to the right and got outflanked by Donald on every fucking issue and anyone that wanted to vote Republican lite just voted Republican anyway.
Every election cycle is the same.
Dems start by virtue signaling cultural left problems, giving lip service to some “economic left” issue for a few months before completely abandoning it.
They spend the next several years talking about how they need to win over Joe America, the pig farmer plumber-man who doesn’t want to vote for the right BUT HAS TO because woke. They throw whatever minority they have to under the bus because they are super serious Machiavellian politicians who ‘get shit done’ and then lose because they’ve offered yet another candidate that is Republican lite. For the last year I had to listen to pundits, politicians and posts waffle on about if it was trans people, Palestinians or migrants they should have abandoned harder. One of them was the secret solution that would have lead to victory.
Or they win and deport more people than trump did his first term (Biden) or continue the same wars they got elected on bailing out of. (Obama) And giving wallstreet infinite money cheatcodes at a pivotal moment while Americans were being unhoused instead of taking the opportunity to create a new American housing program.
They do what you are doing and blame voters, who HAVE TO VOTE IN THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFE TIME (again) or society will collapse (again).
Harris would have been better than literal fascist, but don’t pretend it would have been by much. The deportations would have faced less resistance and would have had zero push back by the media and less public attention. No one would have cared. Kamala “do not come” Harris campaigned on building the fucking wall for fucks sake. None of these people want to address the actual issue of climate change and constant interference in Latin countries leading to political instability is what is causing the migration. The rhetoric on Gaza would have been more strongly worded letters at best with no material difference.
The big big difference would have been in queer rights, judge appointments, fed jobs, bureaucracic institutions (that we currently need to function), and ya know not deploying troops on civilians etc. but you only have to look to Furgeson to see how civil unrest is treated under a dem. Better? in rhetoric.
Biden only won because of the left flank of BLM causing a mass movement against Trump. Obama only won because of leftwing anti war sentiment and anti bush sentiment. Pretending Harris would be any different than any other international power at best on Gaza is stupid. Listen to her words. Recently when talking about Palestine she spent the entire interview talking about wanting to soften Biden’s rhetoric not his policies.
Sorry for the long post I’ve just been doing door knocking for Dems since John Edwards, then John Kerry, then Obama, then Bernie, then Hillary, then Bernie and then I just couldn’t fucking do it anymore. Nothing changes with the party.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
It doesn’t really matter who you voted for, eighty million decided that sitting back and watching Trump take power was more important then voting and that’s a failure on every single one of them.
Pavidus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I still stand by my comment. Four years later, and we are still sitting in the bullshit for round two. We, as a country, failed the task at hand.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It was the voters. They chose this.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
No, they didn’t? Like only 1/3 of the states actually “matter” during an election because of the electoral college, and they are all gerrymandered to shit thanks to Republican redistricting efforts and suppressed via ID laws going all the way back to Reagan, if not earlier.
Voters are a convenient scapegoat, but remember, Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. We shouldn’t even have had a first Trump term in an actual representative democracy.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He got even the popular vote.
…uh ok. Voters fell for obvious lies in droves.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
Ladies please, you’re both right. The Rs get to pick who votes and the voters pick the president. Either one could have avoided this. This happened because you both fucked up.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
They continue to choose it every day they sit at home watching it happen and doing fuck all.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thanks for our daily reminder that we should we committing an insurrection
Lightor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You had a bad option and a Nazi option. There wasn’t a third. Who are we blaming?
KatakiY@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The bad option who chose to let the Nazi get elected? I voted for the bad option but that doesn’t make them guilt free. They had so many options and we’ve had decades of lead up. They know that they can’t win every election by just being Democrats lol. And yet…they lost to one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The person in between the Nazi’s terms who didn’t fucking do anything to prevent the second …
How the fuck did you have to ask that?
And why can’t you realize if you can miss as obvious shit as this, you’re probably missing more you haven’t realized yet?
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
What did you do that for!? I would have liked him better than Trump! It’s your fault we didn’t get him!
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You realize Biden was president for four years and failed to hold trump accountable which is why Trump was able to run a second time …
Right?
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
Blaming other people doesn’t make your guilt go away. What I’m hearing is that you and Biden both helped Trump win. Why would you work alongside Biden to set up a fascist regime? That’s horrible!