Well, they shadowban you for just mentioning certain things. Like lemmy… so I had that happen a few times. The automated mode tools have gotten progressively more aggressive and oppressive over the years.
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Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
man am i the only one who had no problems with automod? either y’all needed to visit better subs or the problem wasn’t on the reddit side…
Astroturfed@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Okalaydokalay@lemm.ee 9 months ago
There were a lot of arbitrary rules that would be easy to break like on AskReddit where if you included anything in the body, your post got removed. Or subs like AITA, TIL, etc. that required you to include AITA and TIL in the subject or your post got removed.
And then some of the rules were temporary, and you’d never know. Some subs outright banned any posts/comments that mentioned COVID at all, in any way.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
yeah i never gave a shit about those subs, too popular to be fruitful to engage with.
dan@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Yeah. Karma requirements pretty much just force you to make a few comments without being an asshole to anyone before you can post. This seems like a fairly low bar to me, at least for anyone who’s not an asshole.
sj_zero 9 months ago
Its reddit, so what you really mean is "karma requirements pretty much just force you express opinions the botfarms and terminally online agree with for a while"
I could deal with the doxxing and such by just routinely deleting my account to maintain opsec (deleted a bunch of high karma accounts). The reason I finally left reddit was the downvote brigades for any opinions that weren't specifically aligned with the zeitgeist.
What's even the point? If I want my opinions artificially implanted in me, I'll just go watch cable news.
dan@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Look while I do agree Reddit can be a bit of an echo chamber, what you’re saying is you struggle to interact with a community in a way that the people in that community are happy with. I’m not suggesting that you are a trolling fuckbag intent on only starting fights and drama for their own amusement, but what you want to be able to do without restriction is the same as what a trolling fuckbag intent on only starting fights and drama for their own amusement would want…
I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, I just don’t think it’s a good enough reason to decide minimum karma limits aren’t valuable.
sj_zero 9 months ago
Since most redditors fail at voting and use the buttons as "I agree" or "I disagree" buttons, it becomes pretty easy to have a normal mainstream opinion and get absolutely crucified because you accidently wandered into yet another echo chamber. Let's say hypothetically that you were a new reddit user and not a user for over 10 years, and you walk in and say a normie opinion, and then get downvoted into oblivion by an echo chamber. What does that look like to the victim of the downvote brigade?
Originally downvotes didn't matter, they were just imaginary internet points. With automod minimum karma limits, for a brand new user, now not only did your post get piledriven into the dirt for what would normally be an uncontroversial opinion, but now your ability to interact elsewhere on reddit has been compromised.
After that, lots of people who might otherwise be good users will just say "forget that" and leave, further enforcing the echo chamber.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 9 months ago
It does get ridiculous when subs have 2k karma requirements or like 2 year old account requirements.
yesdogishere@kbin.social 9 months ago
Like China, reddit shadowbans and ID bans all alternative non-mainstream views. So it’s probable you never wrote anything of interest to anyone. You are probably just a mealworm user, kind of a lemming.
otter@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Yea bad rules for automod (ex. Each day of the week only a particular type of post is allowed) aren’t really a good justification for not having automod at all.
As Lemmy grows, we’re either going to need automod or the feeds are going to be filled with spam. Even if you add an unreasonable number of mods to every community (which comes with its own issues), you’re relying on users reporting the problem and some mod seeing it.
It’s fine for now because there’s just not that many people, and so there’s not as much incentive to come in posting ads/spam/malicious/horrifying content.
I did moderate on Reddit and while we had discussions about which rules were useful or bad for discussion, we didn’t consider turning it off completely because of how much bad stuff it took care of.