Kirk constantly made statements and spread misinformation that is used as justification by others to do immeasurable harm. He’s not exempt from blame just because he was too much of a pussy to actually take up the sword himself. He was a piece of shit and his death was a net positive for society as a whole. If media and politicians aren’t going to take responsibility to stop amplifying the lies of people like him then this shit is going to keep happening.
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mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
Not a fan, unless you would enjoy to meme on George Floyd in a similar way. (which would be also pretty terrible)
I think this treatment should be reserved for people like Trump. Putin, Health insurance CEOs, who actively have the power and have used it to harm or kill people, as opposed to just being hateful bastards.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 18 hours ago
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
It’s not worth it to fret over a bunch of memes.
Probably true, but I felt like mentioning it.
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
George Floyd was murdered by police officers for allegedly trying to use counterfeit money. Charlie Kirk was killed for spreading violent racist rhetoric. Are those comparable situations to you?
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
A human was murdered by politically motivated people.
I think this aspect of the 2 things makes them comparable for the purposes of deciding if funny memes should be made. yes.Otherwise? Absolutely not comparable.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
What was political about the murder of George Floyd by a police officer, aside from the response?
Floyd was not murdered for political reasons, unless you’re arguing that being black is in itself political. He was murdered by a white cop for the crime of being black and allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
Saying Floyd’s murder is political is racist, because there is nothing political about petty street crime unless you’re racializing the situation. And even then, it’s really only political in a post facto sense.
Grimy@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
George Floyd was not killed for his political opinion.
TheBat@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
A human was murdered by politically motivated people
But enough about Osama bin Laden.
CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
There are absolutely a fuckstick worth of George Floyd memes out there like this too. I say let people have fun. There are like 8b people on this planet, and far more important people than him are dying, like the people in gaza.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
true.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I think this treatment should be reserved for people like Trump. Putin, Health insurance CEOs, who actively have the power and have used it to harm or kill people, as opposed to just being hateful bastards.
Yeah, the mouthpiece of the fascists shouldn’t be made fun of like the fascists themselves! Propaganda spewers and those who spread hate on their massive platforms don’t deserve this!!1!
I hope you can see why your statement is just absolutely laughable.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Advocating for a thing to be banned is to advocate for violence against the people who do that thing; the fact that the state does the violent acts doesn’t change that.
Charlie Kirk spent a good chunk of his life advocating for the abortion ban which has harmed and killed people. In my book Charlie Kirk is, at least in part, responsible for all that harm. He deserved what he got at least as much as any healthcare CEO.
FWIW I’m not advocating for either Christo-fascist podcasters or healthcare CEOs to be killed. That doesn’t mean it can’t be funny when it happens, though.
echodot@feddit.uk 13 minutes ago
I think the bar for whether or not you should be please about someone’s death (note that that’s not the same as advocating for it) is whether that person made the world a worse or better place from the point of view of the majority.
With someone like Charlie Kirk it’s easy, even by the standards of his own supporters he made the world a worse place because at least some of his supporters will have been hurt and killed by the things he supported and advocated for. After all the shooter could have decided he wanted to shoot up the crowd and in a way it would be Charlie’s fault that the shooter was allowed to have a gun without a background check.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
it’s Goebbels lite.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
That could be an unfortunate consequence of this whole thing.
We are cursed to live in interesting times.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
wht could be an unfortunate consequence? Charlie Kirk was Goebbels lite, and he’s dead. He deserves this treatment.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
I think you considerably overestimate his level of influence. Just because Trump’s cult isn’t letting a good shooting go to waste doesn’t mean he was anywhere near as important or influential in life as they are acting like now.
wizblizz@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Hard disagree. Those that propagate and spread hate are just as culpable.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 18 hours ago
Honestly I’d laugh at both, and then immediately think it’s fucked up that I laughed, and that it’s in bad taste. Just like this meme, but it’s still funny to me.
Dark humour goes both ways, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it.
parody@lemmings.world 18 hours ago
Kirk was certainly not Putin, I see where you’re coming from. For the most part, Kirk used words like we do here (just with 1mil times the hate and platform size). When Putin uses words people die, directly on his orders, which is why only one of them deserves/ed prison.
The right way to fight Kirk was to obliterate his logic without laying a hand on him. Hateful idiocy is to be overcome by us collectively with our heart & brain, not brawn.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The right way to fight Kirk was to obliterate his logic without laying a hand on him
The ‘right way’ has been tried for the better part of 20 years. If you think these fucking chuds can be defeated with logic, you’re not familiar with conservative media in the slightest.
echodot@feddit.uk 20 minutes ago
He literally said that people dying as a result of gun violence is no reason to regulate gun ownership. I suppose in a way he died for his beliefs.
Like most conservatives he’s only a fan of freedom when it doesn’t personally affect him.