see what you’re missing is that they stand for amerikkkan ideals
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DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Most of America has disagreed with them for idk 150 years now.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Which is why the opposition should reclaim the flag. It has become a religious fetish to MAGA, and the Left has to take it back, and reintroduce it as a symbol of Freedom, not treason pedophilia, and corruption.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
They do the same thing with religion, they try to grift it while being exactly the opposite of what Christians believed in the past. The church has always been against slavery, even in like the 1500s, they aren’t perfect, but they are way away from Nazis. In America protestant white Christians poll as the group that hates human rights the most. They are also probably the least likely to help the poor or volunteer in a hospital or something. It’s just another grift for their fascist bullshit. Hitler did the same thing. He pretended to care about whatever his crowd cared about. It was all about power and always was.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
The best way to defeat a huge baby is to steal its blanket and become the baby yourself.
ubergeek@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Nah, truth be told, MAGA is about as American as apple pie. Historically speaking, that is.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Theory vs Practice
Christianity in bible vs Christians
Communism in theory vs “Communists” in practice
Its like every ideology ever. People preach their scripture, but never actually practice it.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
I beg to differ. The “american ideals” are to be economically prosperous, to open and run your own business, to take what is other’s (indian land), without regrets or looking back.
What i’m saying is that’s exactly what Trump thinks he’s doing. He’s not actually helping american businesses but he and his voters probably think that’s what he’s doing. So, the people themselves see it as very american.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
The American ideas are freedom, liberty, and justice for all. It’s democracy and freedom from religion. It’s about rejecting kings and arming the common man.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
You should check out the history and current reality of USA sometime.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
What is that supposed to mean? America was founded by people who basically invented the concept of human rights as a legal term. I think England had a few rights in their constitution like the right to a Jury trial and stuff. America wasn’t perfect. People don’t understand that no slavery wasn’t really an option before the industrial revolution because slavery was the industry. Not that it makes it okay, just that you’d get conquered by literally everyone else if you didn’t have them. This is why every ancient society had slaves. It’s not just because they were evil, they were in ways, just like modern humans are in ways. It’s that societies which couldn’t defend themselves were enslaved themselves or absorbed into someone’s religious authoritarianism. Yet there is also ways they are morally superior to us, like, you used to be able to retire, to own land, to warn real money as a normal person that didn’t just evaporate away. Most governments used to only have a couple hundred laws at most, now there are hundreds of thousands of laws for governments to tear apart your life with.
We have progressed in ways sure, but also regressed in other ways. Modern humans are monotheistic. Much of the world polices which imaginary God you are allowed to worship. Humans have about as much dignity these days as slaves did in the classical world. Maybe a few more rights, particularly for minorities.
The U.S and France was the first country to actually escape full blown theocracy in 1500 years. The U.S and France were the first country where most people were equal under the law. Yes they thought Africans and Indians were less then human, but it was progress. The U.S abandoned slavery as soon as it had industry, so did Britain and most other countries.
The past 150 years, after the civil war has been a steady progress of states losing power, particularly in America. Your average American for the last 150 years despised government surveillance, they despised even the state and enforcers of the state. They despised taxes. They were almost unanimously in their support for free speech, protest, and free media. Hillary Clinton is the first candidate to even suggest censorship without getting laughed out yet it still cost her the election, Trump is losing much of his support because of the anti American agenda he has, but America has become quite stupid in recent years.
Much of this is because of economic hardship. Psychologists have known for some time that when people are hungry they develop mild schizophrenic type symptoms, like finding patterns where there are none, superstitious thinking, having a heightened sense of fear. This is essentially a way for animals to survive when things get hard. Americans are becoming dumber and more schizo because 40% of Americans don’t have jobs, and our country has no welfare, 90% of the country has no liquid of excess wealth. 50% of the country is in poverty. We are entering the phase of hyperinflation. For the past 10 years or so inflation has been around 7-15%. By the end of the year, we will be spending 600 billion on interest payments on U.S bonds, with much of it coming up to be refinanced within 5 years. That is about 1/4 of all tax income, and about 1/8 of the federal budget.
Yet our state is more concerned with mass surveillance, imperialism, mass migration, more taxes on the poor, less for the rich. Maybe things wouldn’t be so bad if the rich people of the world weren’t doing nearly everything in their power to destroy America, because they hate liberalism.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
They are so immersed in the Conservative Propaganda Machine that they are literally living in an alternative reality from 2/3 of America, and the entire rest of the planet. They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Hmm, reminds me of a country that starts with R that the current US president’s trying to save.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Yes I’m aware. I’m a trans person living in the deep south trying to escape.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Good luck to you, my friend. You have far more friends out here than you think. Look for us, we’ll help you.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
I think that their ENEMY is actually poverty, i.e. many people struggle economically to make a living. This is due to the progress of time (automation leads to fewer jobs), but since time itself is invisible to many people, they try to find a material, outside enemy. And that’s why they blame immigration and queer people, because they appeared at the same time (in public, in the case of queer people) as the decline of living standards. So people see that and conflate correlation with causation, and blame these groups.
What’s important to me is whether people think about the situation and try to make good conclusions and proposals. What matters to me is whether MAGA actually tries to improve people’s living condition, instead of just mindlessly trying to hurt people. If they actually try to improve things, i can talk to them and find meaningful paths forward. If they’re just trying to hurt people, such a thing is impossible. So to me, it very much matters why they’re doing this. That’s what i’m researching, and also how to make meaningful plans that are in their interest that actually bring the country forward, instead of just creating more difficulties.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
While I think that your first section makes a spectacularly excellent point that I had y considered before, your second section broke my brain.
Section one: Excellent point. As Trickle Down Economics spread, and life in America slowly declined as inflation/cost of living steadily outpaced incomes at an increasingly speed, the conservatives managed to blame the problems on liberals, minorities, and immigrants. I hadn’t looked at it that way, as an excuse why Trickle Down wasn’t fixing everything, but it is absolutely true.
Section 2: You are still trying to figure out if the MAGAs motivations are valid or not? Did you just become conscious a month ago? Because it has been apparent that MAGA is about nothing but money and control since they came on the scene a decade ago. Since then, they have become indelibly tied to treason, corruption, pedophilia, racism, misogyny, ignorance, stupidity, and virtuosic incompetence.
And you are still doing your research? Dude…
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
the leadership yes, but the people voting for them? I’m not so sure.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
I know this is a lot of text all at once, but while i’m here, let me tell you that i think that it’s important that there’s a heavy investment in human spaceflight and especially in settling mars.
I’m not saying that for some delusional reasons of science fiction, but because of the very real and very heavy economic advantages that it has. A massive spaceflight program would create a lot of jobs (if you invest $1b in spaceflight, where does the money go? it goes towards companies that try to build the rockets and necessary machinery, and a large part of that money goes towards jobs and construction materials, so the money continues to circulate in the country.)
And jobs are one of the two very important things that people need to live: food and jobs. Let me illustrate this:
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As time progresses forward, we have more resources available (because our production systems work better, as they get improved all the time). but at the same time, a lot of production systems get automated and that reduces the number of jobs. Since people need jobs, new parts of the market need to be developed continuously.
What i’m saying is that if there’s a massive push towards spaceflight, somebody will have to build all of the necessary machinery, equipment, and such, and that would create a lot of jobs. It’s especially important for american people to have jobs, because americans are typically biased towards enterpreneurship and such, and that’s only possible when there’s business to be done. i think that’s a very important aspect of american society. also, martian human settlement would have the advantage that there’s real progress (new lands being explored) and that would also have some positive consequences.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They remain ‘united’ through fear. The most effective method to disarm them is to aggressively change their algorithms.