Can we build a wall around them?
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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
They’re welcome to it.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc… They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren’t forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone’s face.
Rather than telling them they don’t have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 13 hours ago
and make MAGA Place pay for it?
GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
This one gets it
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
I disagree with them being welcome, if we have more fascists over here eventually we’ll get overrun. Best to shut that door immediately.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they’re congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.
In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but we’re the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.
Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
But the issue is, the Nazis then still have their own bar. And that creates a hub for them to advertise, spread, and sow hatred. And eventually, to try to buy the owners of the media platform. This is the literal “embrace, extend, extinguish” playbook they’re using.
And I think it’s better if we shut down their bar and bar them from even coming to any bar.
They want to go to a bar? Either don’t be a fascist or shut up.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
They would have one either way - I mean, just look at Twitter, Reddit, FOX News. Even when there weren’t such NAZI spaces bought and paid for by billionaires, NAZIs had their own websites, mailing lists and whatever.
Weakenning the freedom inherent to the Fediverse’s implementation just because the NAZIs might use it to create their own space is just indirectly constraining yourself because of the NAZIs, which IMHO is the opposite of what we should be doing.
Would you defend changing HTTP(S) and HTML to somehow stop NAZIs using it because as they are now they can be used by NAZIs to spread their message? How about e-mail? How about pen and paper?
You can’t just throw the baby with the bathwater “because NAZIs”.
If you really want to stop NAZI messaging altogether you can’t do it by Technical means, you have to do it by Social and Political means - Laws Censoring NAZI messaging - and even there, look at Germany that does it and all they seem to have achieved is that the NAZI symbology is hidden whilst a large part of the NAZI way of things is widespread in society (hence the AfD success) and some elements of it are even shared by the majority (hence Germany’s very overtly race-justified unconditional support of a nation commiting a Genocide). De facto Germany’s banning of NAZIsm hasn’t stopped the kind of Fascism like in the US right now or the AfD there, were they use the NAZI propaganda techniques and share many ideological elements with the NAZIs but just don’t use NAZI symbols.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
I mean “welcome” in the most generic, passive aggressive Canadian sense of the word. Shutting the door is exactly what the strength of federated/defederated social media is all about.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 hours ago
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that’s true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don’t like. If it just so happens then you’re sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that’s on you.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Except that what I call for is a collective defederation from those fascists.
The ones sectioning themselves off are the fascists by virtue of holding repulsive ideologies.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
My friend, the person you replied to is that fascist.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 7 hours ago
Yeah man.
If they’re not with you, they’re against you.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Ooh ooh! Please mansplain the fediverse, 12 hour old account!
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
but I’m on Lemmy.World and I’m too stupid to understand everything.
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 4 hours ago
Except if you are on lemmy, if another instance user reposts their shit, your instance will get to see that because the devs don't want to completely block their own propaganda.
That's why I moved to Piefed, and the propaganda about my country has plummeted for some reason...
MCTamTam@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Thank you, now I love lemmy even more.
ronigami@lemmy.world 5 minutes ago
And further it ‘should’ help build support for Lemmy et al’s right to exist