Comment on There are no laws! We made the whole thing up!
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But morality wasn’t (unless you are, and may the Creator forgive me for uttering this word, a relativist), and that’s important to remember! Ideally, laws follow from moral truths but alas…
Any claim of universal system of morality existence shatters at the minutest contact with history.
The idea of morality is dominant and potentially universal across human societies. The actual definitions are invented and reinvented constantly and fairly rapidly.
Just because people have been wrong in their understanding of right and wrong many times and in many places does not mean objective, factual things cannot exist and be said about them. I’m sure that if we sat down the entirety of humanity to talk about it, we’d reach consensus about everything major and simple and concessions about anything minor and complex.
So why do you need an external creator to believe in them?
I don’t think you do necessarily… if you’re very clever, honest, empathetic and/or honourable, but it will certainly keep you more accountable and remorseful even in that case! And for the vast majority of people, who simply don’t have any of those qualities to the necessary degree to competently move around in the world righteously, belief in God and fear of the Day of Judgment will be the main/only barrier to stop them from transgressing greatly. It would certainly help in this amoral, self-serving, anti-intellectual, post-truth USA, for example (and don’t say these people believe in what Jesus believed in or anything like that, cause any cursory reading of the Sermon on the Mount could show you these so called religious people don’t conduct themselves in any prosocial, selfless way, nor do the believe God will judge them for their atrocities/troublemaking).
By far, society is more moral than it’s ever been. There have been ups and downs and some people are better than others, but if you look at all the atrocities that have been justified by the morality of the time, we’ve made a lot of progress as a whole.
Provide evidence of a creator.
If the Creation is not enough, then idk. 🤷
What a crazy way to live. Have fun with that.
I can’t “show you evidence” for something that exists outside and before space-time! And, lol, I appreciate your good vibes despite my madness.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Mortality existed before the concept of make believe fairies in the sky.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean, yes, and also morality, lol.