Comment on Mississippi's age assurance law puts decentralized social networks to the test

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think you understand how laws work if you think the fediverse is immune to things like this.

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  • Grenfur@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Immune, no, insanely hard to police? Hell yeah. The thing with these laws is that it’s pretty easy for MS to sue Reddit and force them to comply. They have one centralized location to complain to. You can’t just call John Lemmy and have him comply. Would it be impossible for a state government to contact every single instance owner? maybe? But they’re not going to do it. Even if they made an attempt the instances hosted in other countries couldn’t give less shits about some southern US state.

    Nostr is a whole other beast… it’s currently littered with things illegal in just about every country on the planet but that shit’s still there so I can’t imagine MS could do anything there either.

    TLDR: Immune, no. Neigh impossible to enforce, yes.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They could very easily contact the owners of the Lemmy.world instance, for example, and there goes the biggest part of Lemmy.

      You act like that is hard for them to do. It’s not.

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      • RaoulDook@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Those owners can tell them to fuck off too, since they’re not in US jurisdiction.

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      • Grenfur@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If I remember right .world is hosted in Finland. Who likely doesn’t care about MS politics. They’d have to lobby the Finnish government, who, if they did capitulate would start an awful president. So they won’t as MS has 0 authority there. But, lets assume that they did, or that MS went to all of the ISPs and had them block .world. That’s thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours, lawyers, and paperwork. And the .world users in MS just download their config files and move to .de, .ca, or .uk. And now MS gets to repeat the entire process at three more countries who couldn’t care less about their laws. The would waste unfathomable dollars and hours chasing this mouse and get nowhere. So they just won’t. It’s posturing for the big tech companies. Same as with porn. The big 3 or 4 will just block the state and move on, and the rest and those hosted in other countries will continue like nothing happened. The conservatives will claim they won ‘for the children’, nothing will really change.

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      • nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Quick question, what country do you think Lemmy World is hosted in?

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  • Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t think you know how jurisdiction works.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t think you do. In fact I know you don’t.

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      • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        you don't know shit, which is why you're so confident about it. the same reason 4chan isn't worried about the age laws in the UK is the same reason Lemmy.world isn't worried about what one counsin-fucking southern yeehaw backwater in the US says is illegal.

        mississippi can't do shit to Lemmy.world, even if they threw billions into lawsuits.

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  • JustJack23@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    How are you so consistently wrong?

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Do you think that laws don’t apply to instance owners? Why?

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      • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I love you just assume other states or countries give a shit what some red state thinks. the vast majority of fedi instances are not in mississippi, and the fines are not criminal charges to begin with. even if they were, good luck getting a blue state to extradite over something stupid like this.

        missississpi made a law with no teeth, and fedi is going to ignore it like they should because there isn't shit some backwards US state can do.

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  • shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t think you understand how decentralization works if you think these laws could possibly be applied to the global internet.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t think you understand how much 99.99% of people are going to absolute shit their pants when they get governments ordering them to block content or be fined and sent to jail, especially when their country’s government will likely cooperate with the foreign government ala GDPR/DSAR.

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