Comment on 7 years later, Valve's Proton has been an incredible game-changer for Linux

• floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well, then show me a receipt where you paid for macOS. Should be interesting.

  source

  • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    As they need to be installed on Apple hardware, there’s an implicit cost associated with it.

    If you want to be super pedantic for no reason, you’re correct, it is technically free.

    source

    • Tortellinius@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Technically not. MacOS wouldn’t be what it is today if apple didn’t get any money out of it. They get that money from selling the hardware the software is exclusively on among other things. Let’s say i. e. Ubuntu: When it first got released then it relied on its owners personal revenue for a long time. None of the hardware sold financed Ubuntu, because Ubuntu didn’t earn money through hardware. It’s obvious that the money earned by apple through its sales also go back into macOS, because if the hardware didn’t make any money, macOS ceases to be developed as well.

      With OPs logic, every software is technically free.

      source
    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is hackintosh not still a thing? Did they neuter it somehow? Or are we just not considering that since it’s a pain in the ass to set up and works out of the box on a very limited selection of hardware?

      source

      • DJDarren@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I believe macOS 26 will be the last that’ll run on Intel hardware. So functionally, a year from now, Hackintosh is dead. Well, Hackintosh running the current macOS, of course. I imagine there’ll be a thriving community working to keep existing hardware chugging along.

        It’ll be interesting to see the momentum of Linux on Macs though. If Asahi manages to crack those last few hurdles with the M1/2 hardware, it’ll be a rock solid OS, particularly as ARM64 software becomes more common. Suddenly you’ll have a bunch of incredibly capable Macs going cheap because they can’t run the largest macOS.

        source
    • floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t understand this argument. It makes no sense. Just because a piece of software is included for free with an Apple computer doesn’t mean you’re paying for it. It’s like you see the word “free” and just decide it means something different than what it really means.

      source

      • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Because I am capable of critical and complex thinking. Just because something is labeled as “free” does not necessarily mean there are no costs associated with procuring or using a product. If you’re handed a proprietary piece of technology for “free”, but the only way to use it is to pay for another piece of technology or software that you have to pay for… it’s not free. It’s complementary, but it’s not free. You still need to pay some amount to use it.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
      • Statick@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do you also think the engine that comes with your car is free because the manufacturer doesn’t sell it as a separate item and it’s not listed on the receipt?

        source

        • -> View More Comments
  • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    when you buy a banana at the grocery store, show me the receipt that you paid for the shipping of said banana. When you buy a computer keyboard, show me the receipt for the ‘F’ key. When you buy a TV, show me the receipt for the capacitors.

    This is not how receipts work.

    source

    • floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re comparing apples and bananas. But the only thing that’s bananas is your argument

      source
  • P1nkman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So when someone buys [anything] with a screen, the OS on the screen if free?

    I don’t have a receipt for the OS in my car, so it means I must’ve gotten it for free. Same with the seats, steering wheel, mirrors, buttons, doors, you bang it! But what did I actually pay for then?

    source

    • floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I never said that. But it does show how this black-and-white all the nothing approach makes no sense.

      macOS is free because it’s free.

      source

      • olympicyes@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I have a MacBook Pro 15” 2018. I paid around $3K for it new. What is the cost for me to update to macOS 26 Tahoe or the one that comes after it?

        source

        • -> View More Comments
      • xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The last version of MacOS I used was $130 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Tiger

        source

        • -> View More Comments
  • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I can show you many receipts where I bought a Windows laptop without a trace of any Windows licence on it.

    Same, you can’t really install macOS on anything else than a Mac.

    Sure you can do a Hackintosh, or run Windows without a proper licence (you can buy a Windows for like… $2 on the grey market). But you won’t have any support…

    source

    • floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What does any of that have to do with the fact that macOS is free?

      source

      • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It is not free if you have to pay a specific hardware from the same company to run it. Same goes for windows, it is not free if you are forced to buy Windows in the laptop.

        In both case you pay for the software through the hardware.

        source

        • -> View More Comments