Comment on Teddybears - Punkrocker

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  People are stupid

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  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.

    They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.

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    • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.

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      • boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I’m sure that will work.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No, peopke who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        no different

        Addressed elsewhere downthread.

        treat your enemies with respect

        And if they dont want to be people in any of the ways that matter to me, calling them people eould be profoundly disrespectful. They aren’t me abd dont have my values and treating them like they are/do would be disrespectful.

        human

        Nobodys arguing that. I just don’t see why it gets brought up. Plenty of people arent human-dogs cats elephants octopi corvids cetaceans. If they’re not lesser for not being human, i dont see why it’s something i should be so fucking proud of.

        dumb pieces of shit

        There’s actually more to it than that. Plenty if dumb pieces of shit aren’t fascists.

        don’t lower yourself. Be better

        Thanks, got it handled. Take your own advice and don’t be super reactionary and tribalistic while reducing everything to shallow aesthetics. Try rigorous examination if the things you believe and elaboration, rather than reflexive gut reaction, or you really are not so different from them.

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    • lowleekun@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If i am able to switch one word in a 3 sentence comment in order make it exactly sound like what a Fascist would say, it is probably not a very anti fascist thing. Dehumanizing the outgroup is very fascist.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Everything accusation is a confession. Why would this one be any different?

        If you have meaningful criteria for what personhood is and why it matters-criteria constructed with intellectual honestly to have some actual utility and not just a desire to avoid awkward questions-it’s very likely a fascist does not meet them.

        Is chat gpt a person? Why or why not? If yes, what’s the earliest model that counted, why did previous models not?

        Odds are most of your answers for not are either silly ‘its not even made of meat’ and kind of offensive (you only think i have value because im meaty and delicious? Wtf?) or apply at least somewhat to fascists.

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• wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.

  Thankfully I’ve not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that’s drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.

  The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You’re shown how all his “romantic” relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He’s an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.

  He’s a great villain though.

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  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he’s super evil. He’s a great representation to the real world, as many people think there’s no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.

    But there are people who think otherwise: See this

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I guess I wasn’t trying to say there’s absolutely no-one that idolises homelander. Some people watch Star Wars and want Darth Vader to win. There’s not many of them, and social media tends to amplify the “edge lord” opinions.

      Just that I thought sometimes pearl-clutchers can see people enjoying something that contains horrific aspects and interpret it as meaning those people support horrific things.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think there’s a pretty big difference between someone rooting for the dark space wizard against the light space wizards in a story set in outer space, and taking the side of a psychopathic superman in a show that’s literally about calling out fascist chuds and male power fantasies.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Is he doing a great job? I thought he was just portraying himself.

      Nah for real, if he’s not a psychopath in real life, he must be a tremendous actor.

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      • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Anthony Starr is knocking it out of the park. Amazing performance.

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• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Its the same way all of silicon valley read ‘snow crash’ and was like 'yeah! Metaverse! Apartheid south african enclaves in los angeles! Mind vontrol virus! Christofascism!

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  homelander was based on trump, and they were obviously parodying Conservatives in the show.

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  • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The comics are from long before Trump. (2006-2012) Homelander is just what happens when you give a flawed person Superman powers. That’s the whole premise of the Boys. “What-if superhumans were real people with real flaws?”.

    He’s the manifestation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

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• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  At the same time, I like that the antagonists of the boys are people with nuance.

  The best shows and stories are ones where both sides believe they are doing what is best for everyone, but disagree on what’s best for everyone… Like Thanos. His idea was good in concept, his execution? Not great.

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  • 5too@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Man, bit of a tangent, but even as a fast thought experiment, Thanos’s idea was bad. Just his motivation was (debatably) good.

    The problem is, the vast majority of species populations can easily double in a generation, given plentiful resources - and plentiful resources was what he was aiming for! Even if everything went exactly as he thought it would, he’s just kicked the can down the road for one generation.

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Exactly. The concept was sound, that resources were limited and something should be done about that, but the implementation needed so much work.

      He imagined a solution for a very real problem, then went straight to making it happen without allowing the solution to undergo any scrutiny.

      It’s the only way! Clearly! People just don’t see it like he does! Right?

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• anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Same with so the storm trooper Star Wars stuff that seemed to start around the first time Trump ran.

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