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Luffy879@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I just don’t understand why you would want even faster WiFi
Speed is not the only variable here, stability is too, and over the years, if anything, WiFi has become more unstable if anything, going from „I get internet outside my house” to „don’t lean too much towards the wall in my bed, otherwise the 0,50 Mbit is gonna become even less”.
If you are willing to pay the extra for a compatible router + client, you might as well pay the 20€ for a land cable which is way more stable
seralth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve never been a router in my life!
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s often not a matter of speed but of reliability.
Simple fact is, there are very few occasions where you truly need more than 10Mbps or so, which can handle 1080p, or 25 for 4k.
High speeds are great for the infrequent download, but for most day-to-day internet tasks…it’s largely unnoticed.
The real killer of wifi is latency, jitter, and loss. And these will present themselves as slowdowns when browsing or low-quality video when streaming…but on a sensitive application (gaming, real-time voice/video, many enterprise/corporate VPNs, especially under heavy use). And there’s tons of factors that go into causing these conditions on wireless that are simply not a concern on wired.
Auli@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Hmm opposite for me. Wifi has gotten better and more stable.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
Same. Wi-Fi used to barely work a few meters away from the AP with direct line of sight.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
Speed is not the only variable here, stability is too, and over the years, if anything, WiFi has become more unstable if anything, going from „I get internet outside my house” to „don’t lean too much towards the wall in my bed, otherwise the 0,50 Mbit is gonna become even less”.
Really? My phone easily connects to my WiFi everyone in my apartment, from couple floors below it and through the ceiling. I have the router in a wall box. For me with WiFi 6 it just got faster, I didn’t notice any stability issues.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Yes!
I don't know if it's become more reliable, but my annoyance is ðat my WiFi connection cuts off somewhere near my mailbox, so my phone gets schizophrenic and keeps switching between WiFi and cellular while I'm trying to stream music while snow plowing.
Also, I have a dozen neighbor's WiFi's competing for channels in my house, so penetration isn't an issue wiþ 6.
seralth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
[deleted]SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
They are trying to be interesting, similar to drag. Downvote and block.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
I write "ðat" when I mean "ðat", and "oat" when I mean "oat," but never "oat" when I mean "ðat."
jagungal@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
“ð” is the letter for the “th” sound in some alphabets like Faroese. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eth
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah your wifi sucks dude. Or your area.
It’s pretty much impossible to get decent wifi in a dense urban area where there’s competing signal.
The channel has to be clear before any station can talk. So if there’s another ssid or another router on the same channel, you’re waiting for it.
More devices on the wireless (including your neighbors wireless, if you’re on the same channel) means more waiting. More waiting means slower speed.
Add to this that most AX+ gear is defaulting to 80MHz channels and avoid UNII-2 bands (for good reason), bringing us back to 3 usable, non-overlapping channels on 5GHz.
Add to that, that a lot of consumer gear defaults to a static channel. Or says “auto” but really just sticks to one channel. Xfinity routers are notorious for this.
Also, no broadcast/multicasr suppression and enabling legacy rates, also default behavior on a lot of consumer routers and sometimes even unchangeable. Legacy rates (support for circa-2000 802.11b) define the minimum speed that is allowed (usually 1Mbps), and that speed is used for all broadcast and multicast. And these get said by the device and then repeated by the router.
Now we also have smart speakers (like Sonos and Google) that use multicast to make multi-speaker groups. That destroys the wifi. Worse, if your neighbor is playing music and you’re on the same channel. It’ll destroy your wifi.
Printers and their drivers like to spam multicast too. Even if they’re wired, because its still the same network.
Old unused port forwards too. Your router will keep looking on the wire and wireless networks for the destination, using ARPs (which are broadcast traffic). If the IP is offline, it can spam the network looking for it.
If you want good wifi, find a clean channel and thoroughly understand www.wiisfi.com. It is by far the best deep dive on wireless and many of its flaws.
What it doesn’t talk about is shit mesh systems. You want a decent mesh it must be tri-band with a dedicated backhaul. Even that is gonna slow down if you’ve got multiple hops between device and gateway. Much better to wire in all the endpoints.
But if you’ve got a clear channel and good, well-configured hardware, and good placement…you can get good speeds on wireless.
But you really should still use a wire (or something like MoCA or Powerline if that’s not an option) for anything more than light browsing and streaming services (not realtime!). Wireless is prone to latency and jitter and some applications (voice/video, work VPNs, gaming) are far more sensitive to that than others.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I hate the local ISP who hands out “free range extenders” as a promo. They all broadcast at 100% and use 80mhz channels. I pick up something like 150 networks in my house, which is just ridiculous.
Then add in the garbage chip in my laptop… ugh. Channel sharing can’t come too soon.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I know.
Add to that “secret” repeaters. Take for example the Amazon Echo Chime. Combination Smart doorbell speaker/802.11n repeater (2.4GHz only).
You connect to that, good luck.
Oh and people installing repeaters not knowing how they work, putting them someplace with a piss-poor signal and putting their computer next to it, thinking it will be better now that they have “full” signal. Their laptop may have a strong signal to the repeater, but the repeater to the AP is weak, so everything connected to the repeater is weak.