Comment on It's utterly hypocritical that the "defence" industry/sector is not called what it really is, the war industry.

• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.
  They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.
  And they are actually defending not only themselves but also the ethnic Russian (ex)ukrainians since nobody in the west cared when the US funded trained and armed the fascists that terrorised them for 8 years. Maybe you get some perspective, I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.

    lol, russia invading has gassed nato expansion to countries that never considered it before. Putin’s a better recruiter for NATO than anyone else.

    They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.

    yes, hence the budapest memorandum, where RUSSIA GUARANTEED UKRAINE’S SECURITY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR NUKES, YOU GODDAMN DOLT.

    I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.

    sure thing, kremlin mouthpiece. how much do they pay you for suborning your own country? chode

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• npdean@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  NATO expansionism is the root cause of this war. NATO instigated this war and Russia got baited.

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  • higgsboson@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    lol. only took one comment. Scratch a tankie and a vatnik bleeds?

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Better red than a dirty fascist.
      You wolfsangel and swastika wearers will go down the way your granpa’s went the first time.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    ROFLS you really believe that huh?

    even after russia guaranteed ukraine’s security in the budapest memorandum?

    wow. amazing.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      LOL
      There hasn’t been a ukraine since the fascist coup where the US regime literally chose who would run that proxy state.
      And then broke the Minsk treaties over and over

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        tell that to the people who whipped THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND HAVE HOLLOWED OUT THE ENTIRE RESERVE OF POST SOVIET ARMS STORED LOLOLOLOLOL

        you fucking morons have strategically positioned yourself to be invaded by china, and no one is going to come to your aid. lol

        gonna block you now, moron.

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    • npdean@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So did USA.

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The US invaded Ukraine?

        Sorry, that didn’t happen.

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  • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’ll bite. In the 5 years leading up to Russia invading Ukraine, what did NATO do that warrants such a move by Russia?

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The US/UK NATO have been supporting nazis since WW2.
      Operation Aerodynamic specifically for ukraine to cause trouble.
      It has always been a strategy and a goal to hurt Russia who they never forgave for beating their fascists.
      The horrible Brezinksky doctrine of the US regime followed that line.

      " “Even without the Baltic states and Poland, a Russia that retained control over Ukraine could still seek to be the leader of an assertive Eurasian empire… But without Ukraine and its 52 million fellow Slavs, any attempt by Moscow to rebuild the Eurasian empire was likely to leave Russia entangled alone in protracted conflicts with the nationally and religiously aroused non-Slavs"

      From 2014 when they fist tried regime change with the horrible Yuchenko:

      The Stratfor news web site, which has close links to the American intelligence apparatus, revived this analysis following the recent struggle for power in Ukraine. In an analysis of recent events, Stratfor concludes that the secession of Ukraine not only weakens Moscow with regard to foreign policy, but also, “without Ukraine, Russia’s political, economic and military survivability are called into question.” The Stratfor report continues: “To say Russia is at a turning point is a gross understatement. Without Ukraine, Russia is doomed to a painful slide into geopolitical obsolescence and ultimately, perhaps even non-existence.”

      After that the people voted this puppet out since they knew they had been conned.
      After which the US sent billions via NED and other ways to destabilise the country and fund fascists.
      This led to the coup.

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      • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        None of which warrant annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.

        It seems to me that an escalation to war was a desperate move. A weak move at that.

        Your description makes it sound like the school bully got it’s feelings hurt as everyone started calling them names in the yard. Knowing that it’s days of influence are behind them, the next day the bully returned to school with a gun…

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