Comment on Epstein puts my morality into perspective

crash_thepose@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Her employer should pay a living wage that doesn’t need to be subsidized by tips

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  • bystander@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I also don’t know why we tip in Canada, they have the minimum wage paid. It’s still not a “living wage”, but the retail worker has the same wage.

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah also who tips the guys who picked your vegetables in the field?

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• Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tipping isn’t gratitude, it’s a system that lets corporations avoid paying workers a living wage. The barista earns a few bucks an hour, relying on tips to survive because the company doesn’t want to pay them fairly.

  It’s not the barista’s fault. The corpos’ use them as leverage to perpetuate their shitty behavior. If you don’t tip, they suffer, not the business. That’s emotional blackmail dressed up as generosity.

  If we keep tipping just to hold the system together, it never has to change. Real change would mean companies paying fair, livable wages up front, even if it makes the coffee more expensive. I’m fine with that and I feel others should be too.

  Tipping should be a “thank you”, not a lifeline.

  If we truly cared about baristas, we wouldn’t just tip, we would be be advocating for a better system that doesn’t force them to depend on tips to survive. A mass refusal to participate in this broken model is the kind of disruption that could force companies to actually pay fair wages.

  Instead, we keep tipping because it feels easier and safer in the moment even though it traps workers in a cycle of dependence. I get it. It’s uncomfortable to stop doing what feels like the right thing. But sometimes, real support looks like pushing for change, not maintaining the illusion of it.

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  • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah absolutely this. I live in a country that pairs a fair wage to service workers, so the 3 or 4 times I’ve actually tipped over the years has been able to show gratitude when someone has gone above and beyond on what is a special occasion for me. But until you have fair wages, all you’re doing is paying a secret fee that’s left off the menu for the worker to be able to survive.

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• bitwolf@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I used to think that.

  But if no one tipped, all the employees would leave, and the employer would need to slowly reconsider their life choices

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• HiddenLychee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why? If all I order is a drip and they don’t have to do anything special, doesn’t the cost of my coffee cover everything?

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  • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are clean surfaces something special?

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    • HiddenLychee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But isn’t their labor to clean the surfaces included in the cost of the coffee?

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      • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It should but it doesn’t. Like for a while starbucks tips would go towards the shift that cleans the place.

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    • angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, it’s basic.

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• lonefighter@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is my random uninformed opinion, and I’m well aware that there are problems with it and it’s not the solution, I merely throw it out there as food for thought. I think every worker should make a living wage as base pay, but as a teenager I worked a job that was a tipped job (not food service).

  It was in the late 2000s and early 2010s I made about $5.50 hr base pay, which was twice what my employer was legally allowed to pay me as a tipped employee, although by law at the end of the week if my tips didn’t get me up to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 they had to make up the difference.

  I loved it. I did it for several years and at the end of every year I averaged $12+ an hour, and I was one of the employees who worked a larger chunk of slow shifts which obviously skewed my hourly average downwards. For a 15, 16, 17 year old teen in 2008 when the economy had crashed that was REALLY good money. Every other job was either a minimum wage job, or waitressing for tips. If I worked a busy shift I could work 4 hours and leave $100 in tips richer, plus my base pay. I don’t make $30 an hour now working in healthcare.

  Anyway, all of that lengthy word salad to say that while I understand and agree with the arguments that tipping culture allows companies to not pay living wages, for teens and college students, who are probably always going to struggle, rightly or wrongly to get a well paying job, finding a job where they are mostly paid in tips can be a life changer. I worked hard in high school and stashed my tips away and when I turned 18 I had a (very) used car that I purchased myself and almost 10k in savings that I used to sustain myself through my 20s when I was trying to launch myself into adulthood through lower paying jobs that didn’t pay a living wage. I do not come from a privileged background, my parents didn’t help me with anything and in fact from the time I was in elementary school I had to work for basic life needs, so having that savings from my own work was a safety net that would have been almost impossible to build up $7.25 an hour.

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