Comment on Australia wants to force cats to stay inside or give them a curfew because they are murdering so many other animals they are a threat to the country's biodiversity

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• starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe we should start by making cat owners keep their bird and rodent killing machines inside

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  • Ib_dI@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What if the rodents are not indigenous and are more of a pest than the cats?

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    • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s literally not possible to be more of a pest than the cats.

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      • Ib_dI@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Depends on the place. New Zealand has no native rodents and they are worse

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Cute response, but cats have cause the extinction of dozens of local animal species in countries around the world

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      • Jolan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Could you list some examples? I’m curious to know more.

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• 768@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are you saying, that because a human curfew would be out of proportion a cat curfew is out of proportion too?

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  • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think the first step is to identify the full impact of Glysophosphates and other similarly used pesticides, particularly their roll up impacts, then we can start working on secondary effects like cats.

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

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      • Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        People can get crazy defensive about this stuff, and the goal posts almost always move.

        First, they usually try to say that it’s cruel to keep fluffy inside. (Cats haven’t evolved to safely fit in MOST environments, let’s be real. There’s a whole damned planet out there.)

        If you mention environmental concerns, they’ll usually suggest of a bell or collar. (Both can be very deadly to a cat if the collar or bell catches on something. Break-away collars mean absolutely nothing if the clasp istelf catches on something, so they also aren’t a safety guarantee.)

        Usually, that bit is also followed by pointing out that everything is contributing to species becoming extinct.

        Sometimes, I seriously wonder if some people are just trying to get out of exercising their cat. I really hope not though, because that’s a horrific thought.

        The thought of potentially shortening my cats lifespan is heart breaking. I would never willingly do that to a creature who relies on me like that, so I can’t understand this. I’m not sure I ever will.

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      • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes. But we need to stop smoking, not just chew some gum to mask the problem.

        Without handling the pesticide/herbicide part of the equation, you're not handling the actual problem. You're treating a symptom.

        All of these disorders and problems existed before. Colony collapse disorder existed before. Bats and their white nose fungus have existed for untold millenia. Songbirds had to face housecats for hundreds of years, just in North America.

        So why are we seeing a sudden and massive change to all of those things. Cats aren't suddenly more effective hunters because of climate change. Colony collapse disorder has no logical reason to be affected by climate change as weather has been ruled out as a cause of it.

        It's not like they're Fire Ants who are migrating northward as winters lessen in severity, or the massive pine beetle epidemic of BC which happened because it stopped getting cold enough to freeze them to death.

        For Bats bees, and songbirds, what do they have in common. Bats eats bugs, songbirds eat bugs and seeds. Bugs can be easily found around crops. Seeds are most common around crops. Honeybees pollinate pesticide/herbicide coated crops.

        Hell, the biggest and most glaring thing pointing at pest/herb-icides is that barn swallow almost went extinct but tree swallows were fine. Weird how the bug eating, farm dwelling songbird very nearly died off but the forest dwelling cousin is fine.

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• mayo_cider@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Outdoor cats are also caused by humans, so this is directly trying to solve a problem caused by the worst offenders

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• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If cats want to be able to get away with killing native wildlife, they’ve just got to start a mining or logging company and they’re all set.

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• squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  When you’re the animal in charge, you gotta appeal to the lower animals and take out the competition

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• Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Stop having kids. Beyond that you’re suggesting human genocide.

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  • nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am suggesting no such thing? What I mean is that humans should start doing other things first, clean up their own shit - first reason that there are so few birds is factory farming - overly aggressive use of pesticides killing off insects, machine harvesting chopping up ground nests, land “purchase” destroying forests and animal trek transit zones. Outdoor cats come only in sight because of the one animal kind that does thrive on this: rodents, especially mice.

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    • Goatsgotohell666@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Owning domestic cats is a human thing

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