oh good lord no. years, decades, centuries even couples have trusted each other WITHOUT the need to tracking their where abouts. suddenly this is something we need? no it isn’t. but sure, you go ahead and slap a tag on your “loved one” so you know where they are at all times and so will whatever company is selling your data from said tag.
FishFace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you just see this and, like 20 others, blindly say “you should trust your partner” then you haven’t thought about it at all. If you trust your partner completely, then you trust them to use your location information responsibly, right? So trust does not have any bearing on whether to use it or not.
The issue for me is that we should try to avoid normalising behaviour which enables coercive control in relationships, even if it is practical. That means that even if you trust your partner not to spy on your every move and use the information against you, you shouldn’t enable it because it makes it harder for everyone who can’t trust their partner to that extent to justify not using it.
On a more practical level, controlling behaviour doesn’t always manifest straight away. What’s safe now may not be safe in two years, and if it does start ramping up later, it may be much, much harder to back out of agreements made today which end up impacting your safety.
rozodru@lemmy.world 1 day ago
FishFace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I didn’t say it’s something you need. Read the rest of my comment.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Privacy is something that I think needs to be actively encouraged. It is a right, and thinks like location tracking are creeping their way into daily life and eroding that right.
No one should have the ability to violate that. And we shouldn’t be making it easier to.
BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I trust my family. Trust them enough that they have the passcode to my phone and can easily open it at any time.
But I’m not sharing location. How will I sneak out to buy gifts if they get a notification when I leave work? Nope.
Bubbey@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My mom the other day sent me like 5 texts in a row because I didn’t see them while working. Had to stop and tell her “For the past century, if most people wanted to contact their kids they waited months for letters to go back and forth. No need to panic over not talking for a day.”
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I appreciate the sentiment here, but I disagree with the premise in the first paragraph. It sounds like the age-old “nothing to hide” argument.
I trust my SO with my location information and I have nothing to hide, but I don’t provide it because they don’t need it. That’s it. Why should I compromise my privacy and potentially security just because I trust someone? That’s dumb. They don’t need it so I don’t provide it, that’s my primary reason and that should be enough.
I have other reasons too, such as:
- I don’t trust my or my SO’s phone manufacturer to keep that data confidential, and I don’t want them selling that to someone
- I don’t trust my government to steal that information en masse, and I’d really rather not trigger some alarm somewhere
- I don’t trust most of the apps on my phone with location information, and I’d really rather not trust my phone’s app security to prevent them from getting it
- breaches happen, and I’d really rather my location information not end up in criminals’ hands
And so on. There’s no upside and tons of potential downsides, so why do it?
FishFace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They don’t need it so I don’t provide it, that’s my primary reason and that should be enough.
It is enough. In fact, it’s better than the “you should trust your SO” argument which doesn’t make any sense.
groet@feddit.org 1 day ago
There’s no upside
- Know when they come home or if they are stuck in traffic
- "oh you are still in the store can you get me …"
- security if they get kidnapped
It is insanely useful to know where your partner is. It is not necessary. It is still useful. I would not allow my partner 24/7 location information. It is still useful. I don’t trust any app/manufacturer that allows such a feature. It is still useful.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
My SO can just call me, and they do about every other day when I’m inevitably stuck in traffic due to some accident during rush hour.
My SO and I call each other very frequently. It takes 10s to call and ask me if I’m stuck in traffic or something. Maybe it takes 5 to check an app, but saving a few seconds isn’t worth the unlikely but possible downsides.
Where’s the upside vs alternatives that don’t have those extra issues?
groet@feddit.org 1 day ago
Is it realy so incomprehensible to see how useful it is? I feel like most people in this threat just close their eyes and scream. Yes you can call, yes you can find a different solution to every problem. But it is still fucking convenient to just know where somebody is without you having to ask them having to actively respond.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Know when they come home or if they are stuck in traffic
Look at maps and see how traffic is on their route if they’re late
“oh you are still in the store can you get me …”
Tell each other when you are going to the store beforehand and ask if you need anything.
security if they get kidnapped
Very unlikely to happen in the first place and competent kidnappers would toss their phone right away anyway.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It sounds like the age-old “nothing to hide” argument.
It’s really not, though. For many couples (including my own relationship), this is something we talked about before implementing. We both decided that since we have the technology, we should use it to our advantage…so we do. Right now we’re using Life360, but I’ve already implemented Traccar (self-hosted and accessed via Home Assistant) for our older kids who have phones (Pinwheel), and I plan on extending that capability to my wife as well, so we can dump Life360.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
If everyone consents and you trust the service, I guess that’s fine.
I just personally don’t see the benefit. My area has a really low crime rate, my kids don’t have phones and don’t go anywhere on their own anyway (they hang out w/ neighbors or we drive whem somewhere), and my SO and I just go between work and home and rarely anywhere else. If we have a unique schedule, we let each other know.
The only time I think I’d want it is if I’m doing something potentially risky, like going on a hike on my own, which I almost never do. That’s pretty much it.
When my kids get phones, I plan to follow the same policy. If they go somewhere, they need to let us know where they’re going, who a backup contact is (i.e. if they lose their phone or it dies), and when they’ll be home. I don’t need to know exactly where they are if I trust them to inform me if plans change.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I ride motorcycles. So I just leave it on by default because my wife worries when I go out. Rightly so. Cagers are fucking morons.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
No. But it isn’t about that, anyway. Those apps sell your location data to advertisers and governments, and I’m not installing that bullshit on my phone after I kicked google off of it with grapheneOS.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Apple absolutely doesn’t sell that information. The way they implemented it, they can’t even collect the information to sell.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
X to doubt, and that doesn’t help people who don’t used walledgardenOS
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
Bullshit, why would they follow the law here? The penalties are hilariously tiny compared to the profits.