But aren’t these models built from source material? I imagine if you want CP AI, you need actual CP to train it, no? That definitely would be a problem.
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db2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
They’re not pictures of real people, proceeding against it on that basis undermines the point and makes them look like idiots. It should be banned on principle but ffs there’s got to be a way that doesn’t look reactionary and foolish.
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DLSchichtl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not necessarily. You could mix PG pics of kids with a Lora trained on pubescent looking but otherwise legal naughty bits. At least that would be the sane way to do it. But hey, world’s full of insane people.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 year ago
No, you can use a genetic algorithm. You have your audience rate a legal, acceptable work. You present the same work to an AI and ask it to manipulate traits, and provide a panel of works to your audience. Any derivative that the audience rates better than the original is then given back to the AI for more mutations.
Feed all your mutation and rating data to an AI, and it can begin to learn what the audience wants to see.
Have a bunch of pedophiles doing the training, and you end up with “BeyondCP”.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My question is where did they get the training data for a sufficiently advance CP image generator. Unless it’s just ai porn with kids faces? Which is still creepy, but I guess there are tons of pictures that people post of their own kids?
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Manga, manwha(?) CG sets etc of shota/loli. Sprinkle in some general child statistics for height, weight etc . And I’m sure social media helped as well, with people making accounts for their babies for God sake.
Plenty of “data” I’m sure to train up an AI.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Wouldn’t put it past some suck fucks to feed undesirable content into an AI training
cerberus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s unacceptable in any form.
Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s obviously very distasteful but those needs don’t just go away. If people with that inclination can’t satisfy their sexual urges at home just looking at porn, it seems more likely they’re going to go out into the world and try to find some other way to do it.
Also, controlling what people do at home that isn’t affecting anyone else, even in a case like this isn’t likely to target exactly just those people and it’s also very likely not to stop there either. I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful and that the cure wasn’t going to be worse than the disease.
ram@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
those needs don’t just go away
Get psychological help
If people with that inclination can’t satisfy their sexual urges at home just looking at porn, it seems more likely they’re going to go out into the world and try to find some other way to do it.
Get psychological help
Also, controlling what people do at home that isn’t affecting anyone else
Feeding pedophilia is directly harmful to children who grow more at risk
I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful and that the cure wasn’t going to be worse than the disease
I’d personally be very hesitant to say “it’s okay to beat off to children” unless there was an actual clinical psychologist involved with the person I’m speaking to saying as such.
Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Get psychological help
How about addressing my points instead of the ad hominem attacks?
Feeding pedophilia is directly harmful to children who grow more at risk
Like I said: “I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful”
If what you’re saying here is actually true then the type of evidence I mentioned would exist. I kind of doubt it works that way though. If you stop “feeding” being straight, gay, whatever, does it just go away and you no longer have those sexual desires? I doubt it.
Much as we might hate it that some people do have those urges, it’s the reality. Pretending reality doesn’t exist usually doesn’t work out well.
I’d personally be very hesitant to say “it’s okay to beat off to children”
I never said any such thing. Also, in this case, we’re also talking about images that resemble children, not actual children.
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not a psychologist, so I can’t say whether the other person’s argument is correct or not, but just saying “get psychological help” isn’t a very effective counter argument. CP in any form is super disturbing for a healthy person to see, so by definition the people who want to see it aren’t mentally healthy. So what does a person do who has those urges, but has never acted on them and never wants to hurt a child? I have no idea if providing such a person with AI generated CP would make things worse or help them satisfy the urges in a “safe” fashion. How about you, do you know for sure or are you just calling the other person sick in the head because the idea is repulsive?
Ultimately, I think we’ll make more progress and keep kids safer if we can provide mental help to folks like that, and that’s not going to happen if they’re terrified of admitting that they have the urges in the first place.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
My brother in Christ they have to train the fucking models on real CSAM. It’s not like AI generated CSAM is suddenly a victimless crime.
phx@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Even if the imagery was 100 computer-generated without a training model based in abuse, at some point it becomes a line between “is somebody being hurt” and “what is acceptable in civilized society”. If we accept CG CSAM then what else? Gore porn? Snuff? Bestiality? How about a child being sexually assaulted and mutilated by animals at the same time? There is always stuff that’s going to push you envelope further and further, and how do you even tell if real individuals are involved, if it’s CG, or some combination of such?
If they’re all CG, then nobody real is being hurt BUT there’s still gotta be a line between acceptable and unacceptable. Society - at least western society- by and large has decided that the majority of those categories are not acceptable by law, so regardless of how it’s made it’s still illegal, and the dissemination of such can still have a harmful effect on society in general.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We already have that line though. Beheading photos, for example, arent illegal, but they are banned from moat websites.
PilferJynx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Humans have been raping kids since our inception. Childhood is a relatively modern concept that young adults are now apart of. It’s an ugly and pervasive subject that needs further study to reduce child harm.
db2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Nobody here said anything otherwise.
Tibert@compuverse.uk 1 year ago
Whatever you wanted to say I do not unserstand your point.
It’s not about protecting directly real people images, it’s about preventing Pedophilia.
Pedophilia IS AN ADDICTION!!! Fueling it with anything, even AI, will worsen the ADDICTION!
hh93@lemm.ee 1 year ago
No one chooses to be a pedophile - as far as we know it’s just the unluckiest possible sexual attraction.
Stigmatizing it won’t help anyone - those people need help and everything that doesn’t hurt real children until they get themselves that psychological help is good in my book
Tibert@compuverse.uk 1 year ago
Wtf are you talking about.
They may not be choosing it, but accepting they exist and ignoring them is a way to say you accept Pedophilia.
They should know that they do something wrong and that there is help (at lest in France there are processes to try and help them, and it’s about the same as an addiction but with other content).
hh93@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Of course they know that what they do is wrong
But thoughts aren’t criminal and if they manage to control their attraction in a way that hurts no-one (like this ai-generated stuff or the child-sex-dolls or other things that are very creepy to almost everyone else) then they should totally be normal members of society
I’m not saying that they should be proud of it and see it as something normal - it’s definitely a psychological issue - but denying them stuff that helps them satisfy their urges without hurting anyone should be a good step to help them face their sexuality instead of suppressing them
I think it should totally be possible to access things like it but it should also be necessary to link to a helpline like the one you mentioned (Germany has something like that) similar to how a helpline for suicide is necessary if someone mentions that subject
ram@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Except when they are pictures of real people doing a body swap
db2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
That isn’t at all what an AI generated image is. People have been doing that for better than 50 years.
ram@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
🤦♀️ I obviously mean the replaced portions of the body are AI generated, like photoshop and various other tools have been using.
BadRS@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thats been possible since before photoshop and certainly is possible after
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
possible before, easy as 1 command now.
fidodo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Shouldn’t that already be covered under revenge porn laws?