GNU/Linux is about 100x more painful than Android…
Comment on Several phone brands rumored to be planning a major shift away from Android
Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 months ago
We need phones with standard Linux. Without strange “Java only mediator” or something. Just a normal OS.
Android is a pain in the ass.
hazypenguin@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Let me know when there’s a phone with Linux that has a security implementation that matches Apple’s Secure Enclave.
Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 months ago
No idea what that is.
jonne@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Yeah, Meego was really nice.
Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I worked with it. Just Linux. Rpm was at that moment.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 11 months ago
postmarketOS?
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Honestly, I think the old FirefoxOS could do well these days. Literally everything an app can do can be done by a browser with a decent caching/local storage scheme. Slap a decent camera on that and it would be amazing.
hazypenguin@feddit.nl 11 months ago
If you can implement an equivalent to Apple’s Secure Enclave on a device running that, I’ll be interested. I haven’t seen even a device running Android doing that yet though.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Samsung actually added Knox to their Android implementation a few months before iOS added Secure Enclave. I think Qualcomm had some sort of trusted execution environment around that time, too, if I recall correctly. And Google added Trusty to the AOSP two years ago. So it’s already running on Android, and has been for ages.
But I’m not convinced a TEE would be necessary for a device that doesn’t run any third-party native code. Browser tab sandboxing is already pretty robust; I haven’t heard of an escalation exploit being found in ages on any major JavaScript engine, meaning that the risk of data exfiltration or bootloader compromise are extremely remote, and would be much quicker (and less risky!) to patch via browser updates than firmware/OS updates.
The only other reason I know of that you’d need a TEE is for DRM, and I’d be willing to wager most people who would want a FirefoxOS phone would actively prefer not to have that on their device.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I would love to have a phone that I could just plug into a USB C dock and use as a normal computer. They’ve got plenty of processing power for that now. Every single program I use except for games could run on a phone if it used normal GNU/Linux.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 11 months ago
Convergence! I think Ubuntu tried to go that way for a while.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Samsung Dex already does this with Android.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Honestly love Dex, it’s such a smooth transition
philpo@feddit.org 11 months ago
Was about to say that - while it’s sadly proprietary and most FOSS Apps are not well supported, it is a nice showcase. But I don’t think it’s actually used much by people.
Which is kind of sad.
lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 11 months ago
What’s that link got to do with PostmarketOS? It does not look like FuriOS is a version of it?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Furiphone flx1 looks promising
Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They have been promising a good Linux phone for forever. Is this one any good? Will support last?
tal@lemmy.today 11 months ago
I don’t believe that they’re likely to do GNU/Linux. I bet that they’re going to do a fork of Android off AOSP or something like that.
Android’s had a huge amount of work put into it to make it suitable to be a consumer mobile phone OS, and the companies here aren’t doing this because they want stuff that GNU/Linux does, but rather because they’re Chinese companies worried about a US-China industrial decoupling and its risks for them. Like, they were okay with the technical status; what changed was that they started to worry about having the rug pulled out from them.
That being said, I can at least imagine that helping GNU/Linux phone adoption. So, think about what happened with video games. There were some major platforms out there – MacOS, iOS, Windows, various consoles, Android, Linux. That fragmented the market. Trying to port software to all platforms became a huge pain. What a lot of game developers did was to target a more-or-less platform-agnostic engine and let the engine handle the platform abstraction.
If the mobile OS space fragments further – like, Android splits into “Google Android” and “China Android” — my guess is that that’ll help drive demand for platform-agnostic engines to help improve portability, and porting one engine to GNU/Linux is a lot easier than every individual program.
redlemace@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And please no bloatware!! Oh wait, before anything else : NO, and I really mean NO AI and/or VR shit. Just none. None A T A L L
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 11 months ago
So you exclusively want ai. Got it.
-Microsoft, probably
altphoto@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Clippie coming right up!
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Dude, you get free third party bullshit with every update. What’s not to love?
catloaf@lemm.ee 11 months ago
So AOSP
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 11 months ago
Already exists. Several iterations are active and work as a daily driver: phone, sms and mobile networking works reliably, apps exist. Just not as many as on Android, and some features are not part of the OS. This is enough for many to declare them “a failure”. That and limited hardware support.
Google has coddled us for way too long, and at what price.