Comment on AI models routinely lie when honesty conflicts with their goals

• catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve read the article. If there is any dishonesty, it is on the part of the model creator or LLM operator.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You need to understand that lemmy has a lot of users that actually understand neural networks and the nuanced mechanics of machine learning FAR better than the average layperson.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s just semantics in this case. Catloaf’s argument is entirely centered around the definition of the word “lie” even though most people will understand the intent behind the usage in the context it is being used in. AI does not tell the truth. AI is not necessarily accurate. AI “lies.”

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      AI returns incorrect results.

      In this case semantics matter because using terms like halluilcinations, lies, honesty, and all the other anthromorphic bullshit is designed to make people think neural networks are far more advanced than they actually are.

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      • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Nn. It’s to make people who don’t understand llms be cautious in placing their trust in them. To communicate that clearly, language that is understandable to people who don’t understand llms need to be used.

        I can’t believe this Is the supposed high level of discourse on lemmy

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      AI doesn’t lie, it just gets things wrong but presents them as correct with confidence - like most people.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    As someone on Lemmy I have to disagree. A lot of people claim they do and pretend they do, but they generally don’t. They’re like AI tbh. Confidently incorrect a lot of

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      People frequently act like Lemmy users are different to Reddit users, but that really isn’t the case. People act the same here as they did/do there.

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If anything they’re more empowered here if they lean the right way politically (which is a hard left), because the mods are even more militant in their banning due to wrongthink here.

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  • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s a huge, arrogant and quite insulting statement. Your making assumptions based on stereotypes

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m pushing back on someone who’s themselves being dismissive and arrogant.

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      • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No. You’re mad at someone who isn’t buying that a. I. 's are anything but a cool parlor trick that isn’t ready for prime time

        Because that’s all I’m saying. The are wrong more often than right. They do not complete tasks given to them and they really are garbage

        Now this is all regarding the publicly available a. Is. What ever new secret voodoo one. Think has or military has, I can’t speak to.

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    • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      *you’re

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      • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You’re just as bad.

        Let’s focus on a spell check issue.

        That’s why we have trump

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  • venusaur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And A LOT of people who don’t and blindly hate AI because of posts like this.

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