Comment on Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?

• NormalC@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wannabe communists

  There’s a lot to unpack in that one. First of all, how do you even gatekeep being a communist? Surely you don’t hold a degree in Marxist-Leninist thought? Nor are you a hexbear yourself.

  Or perhaps since you have this perception that we are all petite bourgeoisie (mostly white) in the imperialist core that we can’t actually be communists (ignoring how paradoxical that is)

  Perhaps communism in your mind is only for the “orient” and global south. Those in the “West” must just be play acting.

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  • Gsus4@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When you guys mention the imperial core, what are you talking about? DC? Hollywood? Wall Street? Brussels? London? Paris? Berlin? Where is this imperial core you mention?

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    • SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “imperial core” isn’t a phrase we made up. It refers to World Systems Theory, a theory of international relations invented by a guy named Immanuel Wallerstein which argues that imperial “Core” countries (think the traditional “developed” or “first world” countries. Mainly the US and Europe) have a particular extractive, colonial relationship with “Periphery” countries (think poor, raw material exporting, rentier states like Kyrgyzstan or Nigeria).

      Then there are semi-periphery countries which are still tied into the imperial core in some way, but have enough sway economically and geopolitically to kind of stand on their own. They have a different kind of relationship to the imperial core, compared to the periphery (these would be the BRICS countries, largely).

      That’s a gross over simplification, but hopefully that answers your question.

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      • Gsus4@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wasn’t aware of this, thank you for taking the time to explain it :)

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    • dolphin@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s another term for ‘the West’ effectively, so the US and Western Europe.

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      • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I genuinely would like to understand what you guys at hexbear are about but every time I poke my head into that instance you guys are “dunking” every other instance with language nobody else understands. It’s very alienating.

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    • HornyOnMain@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The imperial core is the countries that have been most involved in the imperialist plunder of other nations, so that would be the US, Canada, UK, France, Belgium, Germany, etcetera

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      • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        China (see taiwan) Russia (see crimea/ukraine)

        Wow you just got dunked on.

        Seethe

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      • Zirconium@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Don’t forget China, Tibet?

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    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Imperial Core was clearly on Coruscant.

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    • WhyEssEff@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      international-community-1international-community-2

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    • aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Another user already explained world systems theory, but there’s also the school of global historical materialism, that analyses the relationship and structure of the imperial core/triad and the periphery/global south. Samir Amin was a leading figure in that, he also coined the term “Eurocentrism”. You can find quite a few recordings of his lectures for free on YouTube, or pirate his books (he’s dead now, so it’s not like he’d get the money anyways).

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  • UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve grown up under a communist government in a socialist republic. So while I have no degree in Marxism-Leninism, I can assure you that all of my schooling was infused with it. Same goes for most of popular culture. I don’t despise communism, as is often the case with people like me, the idea is noble, if utopian. The ideology, like all ideologies, is scary for its intolerance and disregard of human nature. I will therefore gatekeep any pure ideolog, just to save my own faith in humanity.

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    • NormalC@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve grown up under a communist government in a socialist republic…

      Huh? That’s a very roundabout way of describing a communist state. Where do you come from specifically? You can count communist states on your fingertips.

      ideology, like all ideologies, is scary for its intolerance and disregard of human nature…

      I don’t think that’s what the word “ideology” means. Also it’s dangerous and unproductive to off-handedly remark on “human nature.” It’s a bad faith psuedoscientific buzzword that’s rooted in uncontextualized historical analysis. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

      I will therefore gatekeep any pure ideolog, just to save my own faith in humanity.

      Again, I’m not quite sure what this means. I think you’re conflating a lot of things here that just don’t make sense and I dont want to make any assumptions about you. No community can ever be immune to reactionary politics, but thats not the same as rejecting “pure ideology”

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      • UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you put down the thesaurus and actually think about things you will perhaps start to understand. I grew up in former Czechoslovakia until my adulthood under the rule of the communist party until we overthrew them in 1989. The effects of that time are still with me. The human nature that came to light during communist rule would make your hair stand on end. All in pursuit of ideology. You can’t comprehend what you’re advocating for further than some utopian theory you read.

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      • UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What? You have nothing to say now? I would appreciate if you stated your position to my replies to you.

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• somename@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Gonna be real, your smug levels are pretty high right now yourself.

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  • UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My apologies, I was generalising. I’ve had perfectly normal interactions with hexbear users, but I also saw a bunch of very circlejerky threads populated by hexbear users which I found unbearable (or should it be unhexbearable?).

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    • NormalC@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can you give direct links? No one can discount your feelings but without any examples or evidence then we can’t understand.

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      • UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thank you for your open minded approach. Obviously I don’t save posts or comments that annoy me, but now I see one of those as a response to my comment (large gif/jpg with no text). Earlier today I saw a post about brigading that was stupid, but I’m not throwing all hexbears into the same basket, a bunch of the comments were completely nuts. I couldn’t find it again, instead I found this one: hexbear.net/post/502637 Again, it’s not a crime, people can circlejerk however they want. What really annoys me is when I come across a post where I’m interested in reading people’s opinions one the subject and the comments are filled with stickers. Strangely enough no other community does that.

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