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sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨days⊠ago
Deuteronomy is originally from the Hebrew Bible. According to Jewish mythology, the book is from the sermons of Moses. Though, itâs believed to be much more recent (something like a 1000 years) than the time period where the figure of Moses (or the person(s) he was based on) would have existed. But, even taking Jewish and Christian mythologies at their word, Jesus had nothing to do with that rule. Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.
Mark 7:14-23:
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, âListen to me, everyone, and understand this.
15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.â
17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.
18 âAre you so dull?â he asked. âDonât you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
19 For it doesnât go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.â (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
20 He went on: âWhat comes out of a person is what defiles them.
21 For it is from within, out of a personâs heart, that evil thoughts comeâsexual immorality, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.â
So, feel free to boil a young goat in its motherâs milk. Jesus is A-ok with that.
Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.
I mean, Jesus was Jewish and he wouldnât have called his followers Christians because he hadnât died on a cross yet. He would have called them his Jewish brothers and his followers would have done the same for decades afterwards. He was the leader of a sect of Judaism.
I think what heâs referring to is much of the Jewish traditions (by other Christian denominations) are deemed unnecessary because Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and therefore âpreparationâ for his coming is no longer required.
Itâs a little hard to explain but thatâs why Christians donât do any of the dietary restrictions in the old testament.
I understand what heâs saying, heâs saying that the followers believe something different.
Iâm saying none of that matters. Itâs like being Catholic versus Lutheran, but Jewish vs. other Jewish that thinks Jesus was the Messiah. Still Jewish for at least decades, probably centuries.
They believed that while he was still alive. We know this because he and his disciples celebrated Passover at the last supper.
15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.â
Jesus is against the pull out method confirmed.
Itâs been a long time since I read any of the bible, but wasnât there some story in it somewhere where some guy uses that and is immediately killed by god or something? (albiet I think the justification was some sort of tradition obligating him to have a child with a specific person, and his behavior was supposed to be exploiting that without fulfilling his end or something like that).
Onan was punished because he was trying to fuck over Tamar. Tamar was his brotherâs wife, and died. Because women had essentially no rights or property, it was expected that a widow without children would be given to her husbands brother, so he could knock her up and have a son to take care of her.
Onan was trying to screw Tamar out of being able to survive - trying to make it so that he would inherit all of his father Judahâs money. God noticed this, and killed him.
The funny part is the follow up - Judah has another son, but is like âoh shit, this women is cursed. Sheâs lead to the death of two of my sons, I donât want to lose the last one.â So he tells her to go hang out with her parents until his son is âreadyâ - clearly intending to blow her off forever.
So Tamar eventually catches on, realizes that sheâs never getting whatâs hers, so dresses up like a temple prostitute and goes to the city. Judah comes across her disguised as a prostitute, and she asks for his family crest as payment for their roll in the hay.
After this, she becomes pregnant. The elders of the group bring her before Judah, saying âhey, your daughter in law is a massive whore and is pregnant. Weâre going to kill her.â He asks her who knocked her up, she produces the crest.
Judah is then like âoh dang, you got me.â She doesnât get killed, she gets her inheritance, and is possibly an ancestor of Jesus.
Really an amazing trickster figure - very reminiscent of Jacob and Esau.
Onan, which is why wanking is called onanism. To me itâs an odd story because it seems more like a social construct than a divine command. So I wonder if itâs been heavily abridged and he died for some other reason thatâs been left out and they just said God did it because they wanted to reinforce that construct. If God really had a habit of dropping bodies just for spilling their seed, well, letâs just say thereâd be several thousand reasons why I wouldnât be typing this right now.
Ancient stories are almost always parabolic. If thereâs not a lesson to be made, then itâs not preserved. Recording history only for historyâs sake a fairly modern value. So youâre absolutely right. Ancient texts, especially scriptures, tend to attribute things to god whenever itâs convenient for the narrative.
No idea, but wouldnât be surprised.
Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.
So, feel free to boil a young goat in its motherâs milk. Jesus is A-ok with that.
How did you get that it was alright to boil a young goat in its motherâs milk out of that?
Sure, he says you could eat the young goat that has been boiled in its motherâs milk.
But nothing saying itâs alright to boil the young goat in the first place, which the OP verse clearly states.
Itâs a technicality. Jesus didnât require any of the old law to be followed unless expressly said otherwise. The only two things that were expressly said otherwise was âlove Godâ and âlove your neighborâ. Therefore, baby goat milk boiling is fine.
This isnât a sermon of Moses, itâs Godâs law. God said to follow his law forever. Christians ignore it, but Jesus said to follow the law forever too.
Itâs Yahwehâs laws but the mythology has it provided by Moses in his sermons to the Israelites. As for Christians ignoring bits of it, part of that is based on saying attributed to Jesus in the gospels (e.g. the bit from Mark I quoted above) and also the simple fact that most religions update themselves as society changes. If anything, I think the Catholic church was smart to have a leader who could receive ânew revelations from Godâ. It lets them update canon, while maintaining the illusion that they arenât just making shit up to stay relevant.
The Old Testament Law/Covenant still stands today and you have the choice to try to follow it if you want. I donât see why you would want to because itâs âto be perfect you have to do all this all your life but TLDR youâve already broken it so itâs impossible and youâre already condemnedâ. Jesus introduced a new covenant (aka testament, hence âNew Testamentâ, also called âNew Covenantâ in some bibles) of grace and forgiveness, which is superior to the Old. We donât ignore the Old as such, we just follow the New because itâs better.
How does this benefit your neighbour?
I donât see how quoting the two most important commandments negates any of the rest. It goes against when he said to follow all of them, even the least of them, until the end of the earth
Check, check, probably not, check, check, check, check, maybe?, check, check, check and check.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨days⊠ago
And further back? Babylonian? Thereâs some Gilgamesh and Atrahasis in the bibleâŚ
thiseggowaffles@lemmy.zip â¨3⊠â¨days⊠ago
Further back than Babylon. Weâre talking ancient Sumer.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
Sorry, much further back than the Cappadocians and youâve lost me
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
I would be surprised if they were borrowing ideas from other cultures in the area (and vice versa). The various peoples in Mesopotamia were interacting regularly; so, some back and forth of ideas is to be expected. Though as a law code, Deuteronomy seems like it would be more home grown.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
Not at all surprised, christianity has assimilated all kinds of religions, usually as evil or demon prince. Some examples: Moloch, Beelzebub.
You can literally look up <ancient deity> and search for christianity.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
Sorry, just recognized my typo, I meant to say âI wouldnât be surprisedâŚâ., Not sure how I missed that.