Mostly about China and North Korea.
Alt right and alt left both deny Uyghur camps, and think Kim Jong Un is pretty awesome.
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Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months agoCould you provide an example of Hexbears agreeing with the alt-right about something specific? I think a lot of people conflate “disagreeing with the liberal consensus” with “thinking a MAGA thing” when they’re really pretty different.
McNasty@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.
Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I’ve seen acknowledge that there are camps, but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivatednby concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn’t think there are camps in Xinjiang? I’ve never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.
As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can’t really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don’t think you could say that for the alt right.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Trump derangement syndrome is all too real and the proof is how liberals reacted to him trying to end the Korean war.
McNasty@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Same thing with Afghanistan.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Alt Right and alt left both deny the existence of the tooth fairy
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Last I checked the alt right believes them same claims about the world that dems do in terms of the supposed camps, they just think they are good because the alt right hates muslims
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 10 months ago
You guys and the MAGA types seem to have very similar views on the Russia/Ukraine situation at the moment.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Could you be more specific?
I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.
It needs to be more specific than “both of you are against continuing the war.” Just like it wouldn’t be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren’t WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.
Estiar@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
It’s theories about how spheres of influence work, that Russia has a right to take over Ukraine, or at least override it politically. Very much similar to Kissinger’s Great power politics in the days of the USSR. It’s somewhat different than the Russian right which is their divine right to Empire, over the Ukrainians and the Poles and Slavic countries in general. The ideologues Ivan Ilyin and Karl Schmidt influence that part. But notably, both parts believe that there’s a place that Russia must dominate in Europe, and that other great powers must not interfere there. Leftists also are influenced by these theories, especially when they remember the reaches of the Iron Curtain far into Central Europe. The USSR had a history of intervening into the politics of its satellite states. Notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests, they sent in tanks to quell the uprising. This theory echoes in 2014 when the Ukrainians changed their government, and Russia invades and annexes Crimea. Many on the far left and far right see the massive protests as creeping American influence that does not belong in the region. They fear NATO expansion as it is a threat to Russia; In the west it’s Russia itself, and in Russia, it’s Russian greatness in Empire.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand. Liberals don’t believe that countries exert influence on other countries around them? You think Joe Biden objects to the concept of spheres of influence? You brought up Kissinger, you don’t think US foreign policy is operating under the logic of realpolitik? I’m not sure what the alternative is to believing that countries act to pursue their interests in other countries. That just sounds like a description of the concept of foreign policy.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 10 months ago
notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests
You’re talking about the fascist uprising where they went around marking the houses of Jews and Communists for extermination, like only a decade after the Soviets saved the world from Hitler?
silent_water@hexbear.net 10 months ago
we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That’s a pretty disgusting deflection tbh
420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 10 months ago
NATO/US started the war when the couped the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014, and when the US installed regime started bombing civilians in the Donbass
Venus@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Russia started a war. Ukraine has two choices. Surrender and end the bloodshed, or fight tooth and nail and pour more innocent people into the meat grinder and then surrender. There is not a third option. Obviously they should choose the former.
Zirconium@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
We’re just not keeping our head in the sand here. Ukraine is not taking back Crimea, or even the Donbas. The counteroffensive failed horribly. Cheering for more bloodshed isn’t going to make a better outcome in the end.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Do you think we’re in charge of the Russian military? The war is going to end eventually one way or another. We might as well push for the path that preserves Ukrainian lives.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Damn too bad they’re not going to do that, so what should we do about that? We support a negotiated settlement to the conflict in order to achieve peace, you support marching every single Ukrainian person into a meat grinder to die. Which of is more right wing?
yuri@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!
PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 10 months ago
imagine not thinking war is bad. imagine believing American propaganda given its track record.
hexi@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I think Belarus should annex both countries.
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I find these terms agreeable
MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 10 months ago
lukashenko-tired Chad
Gelamzer@hexbear.net 10 months ago
And you guys and MAGA have similar views on China
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“Very” implies you’ve drilled down beyond the very first superficial similarity.
Please offer two things in which we have in common since you’re clearly not just talking out of your ass.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They are pro Russia.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we’re just not pro West
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I can’t hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!
Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
We are pro China, we are not pro Russia
Kuori@hexbear.net 10 months ago
you’re literally pro-nazi and you’re complaining about us lmao
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you’re pro Russia.
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
What is the Russian propaganda that we’re repeating in regard to Ukraine?
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass.
PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Why can’t you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
Egon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Go into the news mega and post your “analysis” we would love to see it
TawnyFroggy@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Why do you think it is impossible to just dislike two things at once?