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• CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They are pro Russia.

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  • HornyOnMain@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we’re just not pro West

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    • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can’t hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!

      Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.

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      • HornyOnMain@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We are pro China, we are not pro Russia

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      • Kuori@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        you’re literally pro-nazi and you’re complaining about us lmao

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you’re pro Russia.

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      • somename@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What is the Russian propaganda that we’re repeating in regard to Ukraine?

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      • AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict

        Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?

        It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass.

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      • PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why can’t you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?

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      • Egon@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Go into the news mega and post your “analysis” we would love to see it

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      • TawnyFroggy@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why do you think it is impossible to just dislike two things at once?

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• McNasty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Mostly about China and North Korea.

  Alt right and alt left both deny Uyghur camps, and think Kim Jong Un is pretty awesome.

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  • Doubledee@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.

    Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I’ve seen acknowledge that there are camps, but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivatednby concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn’t think there are camps in Xinjiang? I’ve never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.

    As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can’t really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don’t think you could say that for the alt right.

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  • AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Trump derangement syndrome is all too real and the proof is how liberals reacted to him trying to end the Korean war.

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    • McNasty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same thing with Afghanistan.

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  • RedDawn@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Alt Right and alt left both deny the existence of the tooth fairy

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  • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Last I checked the alt right believes them same claims about the world that dems do in terms of the supposed camps, they just think they are good because the alt right hates muslims

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• NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You guys and the MAGA types seem to have very similar views on the Russia/Ukraine situation at the moment.

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  • Doubledee@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Could you be more specific?

    I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.

    It needs to be more specific than “both of you are against continuing the war.” Just like it wouldn’t be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren’t WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.

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    • Estiar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s theories about how spheres of influence work, that Russia has a right to take over Ukraine, or at least override it politically. Very much similar to Kissinger’s Great power politics in the days of the USSR. It’s somewhat different than the Russian right which is their divine right to Empire, over the Ukrainians and the Poles and Slavic countries in general. The ideologues Ivan Ilyin and Karl Schmidt influence that part. But notably, both parts believe that there’s a place that Russia must dominate in Europe, and that other great powers must not interfere there. Leftists also are influenced by these theories, especially when they remember the reaches of the Iron Curtain far into Central Europe. The USSR had a history of intervening into the politics of its satellite states. Notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests, they sent in tanks to quell the uprising. This theory echoes in 2014 when the Ukrainians changed their government, and Russia invades and annexes Crimea. Many on the far left and far right see the massive protests as creeping American influence that does not belong in the region. They fear NATO expansion as it is a threat to Russia; In the west it’s Russia itself, and in Russia, it’s Russian greatness in Empire.

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      • Doubledee@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand. Liberals don’t believe that countries exert influence on other countries around them? You think Joe Biden objects to the concept of spheres of influence? You brought up Kissinger, you don’t think US foreign policy is operating under the logic of realpolitik? I’m not sure what the alternative is to believing that countries act to pursue their interests in other countries. That just sounds like a description of the concept of foreign policy.

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      • RedDawn@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests

        You’re talking about the fascist uprising where they went around marking the houses of Jews and Communists for extermination, like only a decade after the Soviets saved the world from Hitler?

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  • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?

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    • MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That’s a pretty disgusting deflection tbh

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      • 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        NATO/US started the war when the couped the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014, and when the US installed regime started bombing civilians in the Donbass

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      • Venus@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Russia started a war. Ukraine has two choices. Surrender and end the bloodshed, or fight tooth and nail and pour more innocent people into the meat grinder and then surrender. There is not a third option. Obviously they should choose the former.

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    • Zirconium@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia

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      • somename@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We’re just not keeping our head in the sand here. Ukraine is not taking back Crimea, or even the Donbas. The counteroffensive failed horribly. Cheering for more bloodshed isn’t going to make a better outcome in the end.

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.

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      • somename@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do you think we’re in charge of the Russian military? The war is going to end eventually one way or another. We might as well push for the path that preserves Ukrainian lives.

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      • RedDawn@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Damn too bad they’re not going to do that, so what should we do about that? We support a negotiated settlement to the conflict in order to achieve peace, you support marching every single Ukrainian person into a meat grinder to die. Which of is more right wing?

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    • yuri@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!

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      • PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        imagine not thinking war is bad. imagine believing American propaganda given its track record.

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  • hexi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think Belarus should annex both countries.

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    • Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I find these terms agreeable

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      • MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        lukashenko-tired Chad

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  • Gelamzer@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And you guys and MAGA have similar views on China

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  • AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Very” implies you’ve drilled down beyond the very first superficial similarity.

    Please offer two things in which we have in common since you’re clearly not just talking out of your ass.

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