Comment on What OS should I use for self-hosting that doesn't require extensive terminal knowledge?

• irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A desktop environment is a waste of resources on a system where you’ll only use it to install and occasionally upgrade a few server applications. The RAM, CPU power, and electricity used to run the desktop environment could be instead powering another couple of small applications.

  Selfhosting is already inefficient with computing resources just like everyone building their own separate infrastructure in a city is less efficient. Problem is infrastructure is shared ownership whereas most online services are not owned by the users so selfhosting makes sense, but requires extra efficiencies.

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• aMockTie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Imagine if OP asked: “I want to repair my own car, but I don’t want to open the hood or get under the car. What are my options?”

  Obviously there would be some options, but those options would be very limited and not ideal. This is very similar. Self-hosting, like self-repair of a vehicle, requires some foundational knowledge and understanding of your specific hardware, usecase, and needs, as well as the knowledge and ability to bring those things to fruition. There is no single universal answer that applies to everyone, but those skills can be acquired by anyone.

  I don’t think self-hosting is any more doomed than self-repair of a vehicle. Not for everyone, but enjoyable and generally optimized for those who participate.

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• hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No. You really don’t want to self host unless you are pretty familiar with how these services work. Otherwise, you’re just setting yourself up to get hacked.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean what’s the point of “self” hosting then?

    If you have to be a professional server administrator to host one of these services, then why even have a self hosting community as opposed to just a hosting community for server admins to discuss how to set and configure various services?

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    • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you want to ride a bike, you need to learn to balance on a bike. That will never change. You don’t need to be a professional cyclist.

      If you want to self host, you need to learn some basic administration, and that includes the terminal. That will never change. You don’t need to be a professional server administrator.

      You might be able to get by with some hand holdy solution that offers a few things you can do, but just like riding a scooter is much more limited than riding a bike, using a turnkey solution is much more limited than setting up your own server.

      Imagine wanting to self host but refusing to learn how to forward a port. There are just some things you need to learn. Like I said in my original comment, the terminal is not as scary as people make it sound. Right now, you are the person making it sound scary.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Self hosting isn’t likely to ever get to the point of “plug and play”. It’s inherently incredibly flexible and different people will do different things with it. Some people just want NAS. Some people want to build a router. Some people want to have a modest compute farm that they physically own. Some people want a virtualization playground. Or pretty much anything else you can think of, or some combination thereof.

  For instance, I custom built a 2-tier + optane cached NAS running proxmox, and I have a handful of old thin clients I can spin up for doing Beowulf things when I feel like it, and I also have another repurposed thin client running pfSense as my router that can support up to 10g (futureproofing).

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• baduhai@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It isn’t, self hosting just isn’t for everyone, and it never will be.

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• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, this whole “Linux server” thing just isn’t going to take off.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Notice that it hasn’t amongst mainstream consumers.

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    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Notice that it hasn’t amongst mainstream consumers.

      Good. Mainstream consumers don’t understand enough about networking and computer security to be trusted to self-host anything beyond desktop applications.

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    • tauren@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Notice that it hasn’t amongst mainstream consumers.

      What? A niche technical hobby isn’t popular among mainstream consumers? Mainstream consumers don’t know words “Plex” and “Home Assistant” either. There are already products that target these people. And there are products targeted at technical people. We need diversity.

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      • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Self hosting is just an extension of open source software. It’s only goal is being able to run your own backends of apps to not be exploited by major companies. It’s goal is not to be a niche technical hobby, if that’s your goal in its own right, then get a model train or a Warhammer set.

        Mainstream consumers don’t know words “Plex” and “Home Assistant” either.

        Yes, they do lol. It’s flat out weird to think that the only people who have ever heard of pirating are software developers and server admins who use the command line.

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    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Notice that mainstream customers dont self host.

      You’re viewing this through an incredibly skewed lense. The average person will never even consider self hosting nor will care, if anything the average person prefers cloud services. Who cares if server grade software is terminal only? Its good enough for the companies that sponsor these projects and its good enough for enterprise level users.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Notice that mainstream customers dont self host.

        Yes, that’s what they said.

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      • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re viewing this through an incredibly skewed lense. The average person will never even consider self hosting nor will care, if anything the average person prefers cloud services.

        The only lens I’m viewing this through is one that dares to imagine that the Venn diagram of “computer users savvy enough to care about privacy” isn’t 100% contained within the circle of “computers savvy with the terminal”.

        Quite frankly your stance that the ‘average person’ doesn’t care, when this post is LITERALLY from an ‘average person’ who does, is the one that needs justification.

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