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lefixxx@lemmy.world 11 months agoYour memory is faulty. Musk “was” a visionary savant that tried to advance humanity by making EV mainstream and advancing the mars mission. The facade dropped recently
July 16, 2018. That’s when Musk called that rescue work a pedophilia.
That’s when his antics couldn’t be hand waved as eccentric or trolling. The rumors that he was a shitty boss weren’t back up yet, he was still pro-LGBT and he had renewed public interest in space travel after the shuttles were retired.
But Tesla was popular before that. In 2012, Tesla was the only EV that didn’t completely suck.
Its honestly blown my mind that it’s taken this long to get something that’s even somewhat competitive with the Tesla’s.
Like a Model 3 is $35k, has a near perfect safety score, can go like ~360 miles on a charge, and is a 4 door sedan.
Let’s look at some competitors why don’t we?
Obviously Musk is a bad guy and you shouldn’t give him money and all that. But it seems like the legacy manufacturers are like 3-4 years behind, and that’s the smallest the gap has ever been.
Tesla had two advantages. Let’s ignore the original Roadster here, nobody bought one anyway and it was not a ground-up design by them.
First off, they started with a “luxury” EV. Luxury cars have high margins and you can more easily fit the price of the big battery in there - and since the S was a pretty big car, you have space for a big battery. The other two mainstream EVs at the time were the tiny Nissan Leaf and the even tinier Mitsubishi I-Miev - you couldn’t fit a big battery in a car that tiny, nor can you charge enough of a price to pay for a big battery.
Note here I said “luxury” because if you compare the Tesla model S to the similarly priced Mercedes-Benz S-Class or BMW 7 series… Yeah no, the quality isn’t anywhere near good enough. But it was still in the same market segment and competed by being completely unique at the time, instead of competing through luxury.
Secondly, they had no ICE heritage. No existing cars to start with. It’s a huge advantage because they could design the platform right away to have a large flat battery pack at the bottom, etc. Meanwhile, Mercedes started selling its’ first serious EV attempt in 2019 and that still had a transmission tunnel because it was based on the GLC SUV (which itself was just a C-Class on stilts lol). It didn’t have a drive shaft, so no need for a tunnel for it. Just a waste of space. The first dedicated EV platform came out in 2021 with the EQS sedan. BMW made the i3 in 2013, but it was tiny, ugly and needed to burn gasoline to extend range. Bleh. First proper EV? The i7, came out in 2022, STILL shares its platform with the ICEs. Audi? First proper EV was the OG E-Tron SUV (now called the Q8 E-Tron, unrelated to the actual Q8) in 2019, shares platform with ICEs, but it was among the first earliest EVs to have a proper heat pump system to keep you warm without draining the battery straight to zero in the winter. Range? Bad. Overall quality? Meh. Performance was decent and it at least feels like a proper car though. Suspension was superb. Felt like a small light car driving it. For a 2.5 ton SUV that’s a compliment. But worst of all? It’s being discontinued, and the downmarket EVs (Q4 E-tron) from Audi are way worse. So of the big 3 Germans, Mercedes is the ONLY one to use a dedicated EV architecture for some of its vehicles.
Look, I’m a huge fan of German cars. Love-hate relationship with Audi, love relationship with BMW and Mercedes. Starting with the Passat B6, I pretend Volkswagen doesn’t exist. But they fumbled it all HARD and they would’ve had the absolute best chance to be Tesla killers. They know how to make big expensive luxury cars. Could’ve launched proper luxury EVs a decade ago and Tesla would be a regional automaker for the US. But they didn’t. Because of their arrogance and complacency. Fucking Jaguar of all companies even beat them to it.
I agree with lengau too. He’s always been a grifter, claiming other people’s achievements as his own, implementing unsafe practices in his factories, union busting, etc…
It wasn’t very easy to see without paying close attention to him though. And who was paying close attention to him at the time?
Anyone in tech who followed the rise of paypal
Thunderf00t was paying attention, but I can’t think of too many others.
I got into an argument over it with people in 2016-2017.
He was always this bad and I’ve been warning people about him for a decade or more. That’s the point - own the fact that you were ignorant rather than pretending this was some sort of change in him.
Madison420@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, their memory is fine. You’re knees are just a bit more scuffed then theirs.