Comment on Tesla odometer uses “predictive algorithms” to void warranty, lawsuit claims

mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We already know they knowingly lied about battery range, the capabilities of self driving, and a ton of other fraudulent practices. Tesla is doing it intentionally is more likely than poor build quality.

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  • hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ll bite, what is the evidence that Tesla knowingly lied about battery range?

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    • FrederikNJS@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Forbes article about it: forbes.com/…/tesla-exaggerated-its-cars-driving-r…

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      • hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ah okay this makes more sense. With all electric driving ranges the EPA/CARB more pessimistic than, say, WLTP. The probable place that could be gamed in determining this range, to my knowledge, is to shut off anything that might require more power (ie. AC).

        However, if the range estimated in the software for the dashboard does not match reality, that is indeed the fault of Tesla

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  • JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    In fact I believe the odometer reading is calculated from the electricty consumption, not from a meter in the gearbox. So if the range reading is inaccurate (and they are) it would throw out the mileage as well.

    Should be super easy to prove too… Take an assortment of Teslas to a 1 mile stretch of road, drive it up and down 20 times, measure the mileage before and after.

    Not necessarily, the incorrect readings may only occur at certain speeds or conditions.

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    • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That would make no sense. There has to be something spinning connected to something rolling in the ground.

      All the AC motors have some kind of encoder to control rotation (and can easily be used to count rotations as well). But if Xitter and Doge have taught us anything, it’s that the programmers for Musks companies more not be very competent.

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      • JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Apparently its based on the field rotations in the motor or something, remember this is a fixed gear vehicle. I don’t think ICE cars use a gear either anymore, its based on the crankshaft sensor for the EFI, multipled by a gear ratio figure in the ECU. Even pushbikes don’t have gear sensors for speedo reading, they count magnetic fluctuations in the rim.

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Makes the range look longer, also.

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• cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That cant be a defense?!

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  • knightly@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    When accused of crimes, deflect by admitting to even bigger crimes.

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    • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They cancel out

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      • Archer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I have the worst fucking attorneys

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  • Orygin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I mean, VW tried to blame poor quality software (aka a bug) for their abnormal emissions, before it was discovered it’s fully intended to cheat emissions testing.
    I wouldn’t put it above Tesla to do the same here.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sorry officer, I’m just really stupid.

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  • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sure, but if you apply hanlon’s razor whenever it’s applicable, you’re right more often.

    “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

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    • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It can definitely be both. Trump is exhibit A

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    • scintilla@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Nah fuck hanlons razor. Evil people can be stupid but they are still evil. If the incompetence reaches this point it is also malice.

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      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m not saying both aren’t possible. And I’m not saying both don’t apply here.

        But in general, if you make it a practice to remember Hanlon’s razor, you will be both correct more often and generally happier. I’m just suggesting, do it for your own sake. Assume the best of intentions in people, because usually people do mean well. And also expect them to let you down by making genuinely stupid choices, because then you won’t be surprised when they do.

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• someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Odometers are one of the oldest consumer protection tools. If it’s off, it’s wildly illegal.

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  • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yup, odometers were regulated specifically to protect consumers from widespread odometer fraud. Shit like companies requiring oil changes every 5k miles, and the odometer shows 5000 when it’s actually only 4000, so consumers pay for more service than they need. Or cases like this one, where a company is required to provide a warranty until the 50k odometer reading, and then fudges the odometer so it voids the warranty sooner than it should.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Used to be the other way around, undercount the miles so that you can sell it at a higher price.

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      • thallamabond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Double dick move by tesla, shorten the warranty period, and lower the resale value! INNOVATIVE!

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      • Patch@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I wonder how sophisticated this fraud is? They could have it rush to 50k, and then “catch up” by running more slowly for the next few 10s of thousands to cover the tracks.

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• ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sure, but then you’d also expect to hear about Teslas with odometers that massively underreport the distance, too. Or that fail altogether. And while no one would be likely to report the former, the latter might be a bigger deal.

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  • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ah yes, the recommended oil checks on a famously electric vehicle. /s

      I get what you’re saying, but more likely is that nobody would ever notice.

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• orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Would most people notice that? Would they say something if they did? If this particular warranty is mileage based, I’d keep my mouth shut if mine was abnormally low. It’s not like it’s something that affects the functioning of the car, and has other potential advantages like higher resale value.

    And even if you said something, who is going to report on it? This is news because it’s gone to court. You’re not going to try to take them to court for it being low. At best you’ll just try to get it fixed.

    I’m not saying this isn’t something they would do, I just don’t necessarily think we’d definitely see reports of it being low, even if it was happening.

    If they were actually doing this, and actually being smart about it though, they’d have it go over at a rate of say, 30% of cars, and under at a rate of like 10% of cars so they’d still come out on top but actually have it seem to be randomly faulty.

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• Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  all the models have defects, it just nobody complained enough that the news picked on it. i remmeber on reddit, some fanboy bought one for 140k or something around the time twitter was bought, everyone was quesitoning why he bought it at a volatile time.

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• Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Even more likely there is a bug ticket in thier system that says some part is malfunctioning causing the odometer to count too fast. And that ticket has been depriortized by product management repeatedly as fixing it generates no increase in revenue.

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