Adding in cost of ownership, EVs are cheaper than ICE vehicles. Electricity is way cheaper than gas, and electrics require almost zero maintenance. Also, even 200km meters the needs of a whole lot of drivers just fine. Our family’s secondary vehicle is a Gen-1 leaf with 140km of range and I think we’ve used a public charger 4 times in over 10 years.
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Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
17k for not even 200km range sucks. EVs must get cheaper.
Tinidril@midwest.social 1 month ago
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 month ago
With better infrastructure and fast charging that shouldn’t be a big deal. I mean, we don’t have that infrastructure today, but ideally the gargantuan battery mode isn’t where we stay in the extreme long-term.
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 1 month ago
17k for a new car of any kind is a good price
pipes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Heat pump and dual direction charging are awesome though. I don’t imagine they’re using these kei cars between the cities when they can get high speed trains.
Nissan could easily take 5k off but has been hesitant/gradual with EV adoption just like the rest of the Japanese producers.
tankplanker@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The problem is that the battery is usually half the cost of manufacturing the car, larger batteries still means more expense, at least until whatever replaces the current battery tech is mainstream.
Britians cheapest brand new EV that isnt limited to 28mph top speed is the Dacia Spring at £11k. $17k is about £13k. UK average commuting distance is a round trip of about 40 miles. In an ICE car thats costing about £6 a day, vs. 70p in an EV that can charge at home overnight. My kids basically get brand new (small) EVs for free vs. running an older ICE that I would gift them just on the fuel saving.
Obviously not everyone can change at home, but this will change the more people push for it.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Trust me. You do NOT want to go on a long distance road trip in a kei car. Even if you are super short.
Kei cars are amazing for commuting and grocery store trips. They are horrible for basically anything beyond that so you are still getting that chair delivered and so forth. Once you start cramming it full of luggage or camping supplies you will rapidly feel the claustrophobia.
112 miles is perfect for driving around a city or going to the park on the weekend or whatever. 40 minutes for 10->80% is a bit… ouch. But if you can charge it over night (with even an L1 charger) that doesn’t matter for day trips and… trust me when I say you want to take a long lunch and stretch your legs if you are taking a kei car on a road trip.
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
I don’t live in car land. Hence I don’t commute or shop groceries via car. Charging seems a hassle for typical trips, but I am not an experienced driver. I want mini cars to be cheaper, not go farther, so using one is more sensible.
Soup@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Except that even if your commute is 20km that’s still going tonlast you all week. Obviously there are other trips to make but it’s definitely not stopping 99.9% of people in the middle of their commute, or even their workday, to charge.
I don’t know why so many people think whatever they buy needs to be able to handle every single fringe case they’ve never even experienced or why they think that something being absolutely adequate for their own use is somehow bad. It’s room-temp IQ bullshit and I’m tired of it.
17k for a vehicle powered by a watch battery(exaggeration) is pretty sick and more than practical, even for people in North America.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The BYD Seagull price/capacity is exceptional even among Chinese EVs. I think a better comparison to this car would be the Wuling MINI, which also has a 200km range, and costs 6~7k in China.
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
Which is much cheaper than this car. Prices for small cars must go down(and big car prices going way up seems fine, TBf)
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 month ago
More range would make it large defeating a large portion of its purpose.
It’s meant for driving around a city, 200km should be more than enough for a day of shopping.
anguo@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
For driving around a city, 50km is already more than enough
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That wouldn’t get me to one side of my city and back without a charge, but with chargers at malls, shouldn’t be an issue.
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
I struggle to believe that. Packing more batteries does not mean size has to increase by a lot. the biggest part of car volume is air anyway.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You mean where the people and shopping would go…?
There’s also more to it than just battery size, more weight, less range per W, more cost to manufactur, so higher cost to buy…
If you’re struggling to believe something so simple, you maybe shouldn’t be commenting on something you have no knowledge on…?
YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Exactly! Just put the batteries where the people go.