Comment on Scientologists Tell Feds They Don't Want Randos Repairing Their E-Meters

• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Or given that the device’s purpose is to be a prop for psychological manipulation, the current ones might, rather than simply reading out skin resistance, produce some other value more conducive to that purpose. I’m which case, dumping and disassembling the firmware would be as much a threat to Scientology as dumping slot machine firmware would be to casinos and gambling firms. (True story: someone once did this with a slot machine, proving that it was rigged.)

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• TheRaven@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Midichlorians?

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  • Cabrio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Prion disease.

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    • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The scions of prions? Lucky pions!

      Hey Shakespeare did it, so it can’t be wrong.

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• Bizarroland@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Although you do realize that technically, if they're new versions are not patented then they are considered trade secrets right? If you can get your hands on one and patent it then you have a decent pathway to sue the Church of Scientology for patent infringement.

  That would be a fun one to work out

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  • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They could get your patent invalidated if they can demonstrate you copied them

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I like that fundamental misunderstandings of how the law works can still be found on this website, was my favorite part of reddit

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    • Bizarroland@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They would still have to pay an inordinate amount of money in legal fees fighting it, and if they invalidate the patent then the publication would go public domain.

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    • Rayston@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      wouldnt that force them to admit the public patent and all its details are a copy? thus confirming exactly how the device works.....and isnt that something they dont want?

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure, and then they either disappear you, or you have an “accident”. Or you just so happened to get beaten half to death in the restroom by a “random” act of violence.

    Or anything equally as sinister, but to your finances, possessions, loved ones, or life.

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    • Bizarroland@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Scientology is not some super powerful cult with secret enforcers all over the place. They might have that much power in Clearwater Florida but outside of that what are they going to do?

      If they had the ability to act like a mafia the way that you're suggesting then they wouldn't be able to walk and operate freely in America without somebody from a three-letter organization breathing down their neck.

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• WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can anyone translate this into Dummy please? What is it doing, according to that patent?

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  • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s measuring resistance, just like a multimeter can. Basically, it’s measuring how “difficult” it is for electricity to reach from A to B. High quality wire will have low resistance, while something like rubber has a very high resistance. This is basically just measuring resistance and moving a needle back and forth on a meter. It’s an Electrical Engineering 101 class project.

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    • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Isn’t there a name for bullshit devices that produce some ouput that has no bearing on what is being tested? Like that device Dee and Charlie use when they are in the superberry MLM on Sunny in Philadelphia. Like, its snake oil but I thought there was a word for that kind of thing.

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      • jscummy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What do you mean? That machine measured stress very accurately and displayed it in standard stress units

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      • OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t know about one word, but generally I’ve heard “quack medical device” used to describe such things.

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  • ElleChaise@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It's like a voltmeter set to resistance mode. It can detect small changes in electrical energy and show that change on a meter that moves right for higher resistance, and left for lower resistance. In other words, it's a bunch o' bull crap.

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    • m_r_butts@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Measuring galvanic skin resistance isn't bullshit. But it's certainly not telling them what they claim it does.

      Devices of that type are usually advertised to consumers as biofeedback machines and used for detecting autonomic sympathetic arousal to train the user to control anxiety.

      Because of the harsh consequences in Scientology of failing an auditing session, Scientologists also to learn to control their responses when they're on a meter. In effect, users can train themselves to lie to it. This is how they end up with those stares that are somehow both intense and vacant.

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      • Bizarroland@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Taking it as an abstract, I could see how that would be an incredible tool for building a cohesive unit of people.

        I've read the Dianetics book because when I was a kid I would see the ads and I was like oh that's interesting and then I found a copy out of thrift store.

        Dianetics offers you you know your maximum human mental potential and freedom from all of your psychosomatic and psychological illnesses. No anxiety, no schizophrenia, no bipolar disorder, no lying to yourself about anything.

        And on the surface that seems good but you know obviously if it were actually capable of unlocking human potential it would now be standard course in American education.

        But you put all of that aside and think about it from a different angle, and what you have is a machine that measures anxiety and a person you're telling all of your deepest darkest secrets and fears to, and you repeat the Dianetics process until you have told every single thing that you can think of about your entire life to another person.

        And at that point, you're no longer anxious around that person, so the e-meter says that you have reached "clear".

        Now you're surrounded with people who know all of your deepest darkest secrets and fears and completely and totally accept you as long as you adhere to their society's rules.

        It's very fascinating, I couldn't imagine a better way to build a cult than with a system like that.

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    • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So it’s a lie detector? Lol

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      • quicksand@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think it’s just a human detector. Or an anything that touches both contacts detector

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      • RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes. And just as meaningful as one. (aka not)

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