If you’ve been getting duped for 50 years, then maybe you’re just too stupid to vote. People with a bit of a plant in their pocket have been disenfranchised for a lot less
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Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week agoGeneralizing is logical fallacy. Not all Republicans are Nazis.
Some are rotten. Some are good people that just got duped.
It’s not black and white.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Perhaps. However. on the other side I think of this quote. “Poor people have been voting democrat for 50 years, and they’re still poor…”
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
MAGA wasn’t formed until 2016, the party was much different before Trump. But who cares I guess. It seems people just want to hate the other side here. Which is no better than them.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Before that was the tea party loons, before that was the airbrushed WMD photos, before that was McCarthyism…
When the other side is always fascist, the answer is always FUCK OFF NAZI PUNKS
(Maybe people wouldn’t hate the “other side” if it wasn’t straight up 4th reich on paper 🤷)
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m just going to ask you a question. Do you think Mitt Romney was a fascist?
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
It really wasn’t different before Trump, it was just a little more articulate in its rhetoric.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
It seems people just want to hate the other side here. Which is no better than them.
🙄
shaggyb@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nope. They’ve had plenty of time to see the results of their actions. They’re complicit at this point.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I can empathize with your anger but I do think it’s easy to forget just how much propaganda can shape peoples world views and idea of reality. It’s used so heavily because it works :(
Regardless, I’m not trying to start a fight, I can appreciate having no more tolerance for the increasing cruelty of the state of the world. Take care ❤️
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There’s a story I heard recently that has really stuck with me. It happened in the Sobibor Extermination Camp during WW2. Basically the camp was structured so that captured Jews would be selected to be Kapos. A Kapo was a disciplinarian that kept the rest of the Jews in line, usually with a whip. A lot of the times the Kapo would repeat Nazi propaganda because the Nazi guards were watching too. The rest of the Jews could understand their predicament. But there was one Kapo named Berliner, nicknamed because he was born in Berlin. The rest of the Jews hated Berliner because he truly bought into the propaganda. Imagine, a Jew… in an extermination camp… talking about how Hitler was a misunderstood savior of the Jews right before he started beating his fellow Jews to keep them in line.
It’s no surprise that Berliner’s end comes in the form of a lynching by the rest of the Jews he was keeping in line.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Thank you very much for sharing, I expect that story will stick with me too.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 week ago
Republican core values are anti-human. Right from there, we have nothing to talk about.
Get these lizard people off our planet!
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
That’s the part that I still can’t wrap my head around. We know it will be shameless shilling and nepotism along with stochastic terrorism and still vote for it anyway? Wtf
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Its easy to forget they live in a Fundamentally different reality shaped by a buble of media. We all do, but conservative media kinda feels like an alternative universe.
When confronted with the world we live in they reject it as unrealistic because it differs too much from the facts they’ve accepted about the world.
My grandpa is a trump voter and I do my best to still talk to him. At an individual scale he’s a kind, sincere man who has always been welcoming of my queerness and tries to understand me. It’s very painful trying to discuss things with him even though it stays a kind interaction when I lead with kindness. It requires a lot of cognitive dissonance, but he lives in a fundamentally different reality than I do and I honestly don’t know what I can do about it :(
That’s the dangerous thing about fascism. Decent people buy into it. Become complicit or enable it. It wouldn’t be a real threat if they didn’t. But it engineers a reality for people to believe in, and lo and behold, they do. And cruelty ensues :(
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nope. There’s really not. A lot of them are waking up. You’re being divisive. And that’s not what the country needs.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I am being clear. This debate is over.
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m being clear as well. If you want to be hostile to the whole group that’s your personal choice. I’m going to express the reality of the situation though. Bye.
Genius@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
They had 4 years of Trump to see the truth for themselves. And then they got to see Trump break another election cycle’s worth of promises on top of that!
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Trump’s first term was nothing like this. It wasn’t full on facism like the current term. The economy wasn’t being completely obliterated and people weren’t being disappeared.