Nazis can always join their own defederated server and have their little circle jerk, nothing is stopping them from going and joining exploding heads; they don’t have a right to be part of federated fediverse and have their bullshit heard.
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shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unless you’re a republican or other type of nazi. Then you can absolutely go all the way to hell.
Tolerance got us here.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 months ago
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
like Truth social
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Or x or Facebook or reddit at this point tbh.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
well yeah but I meant that Truth socials source code is actually a fork of Mastodon. I think they’ve even published the source code somewhere for legal reasons, which is so wired to think about trump doing.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Lol the irony
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
The nazis during WW2 were defeated with love and kindness 🤗
(lol no, we shot them to death)
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Liar. They were destroyed with facts and logic, duh
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Zero irony. Nothing funny here. Nazis fuck off. Republicans fuck off. Trumpers fuck off.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
And zero self awareness lmao
tane@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Lmao now this is irony
dickalan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Either you’re being intentionally obtuse or you’re being paid by Russia either way….
SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It’s not about tolerance imo, it’s about discussion. You’d be surprised to learn their reasoning if you actually listened to it. You don’t have to agree with it.
Both sides have this problem right now. Both only converse with their own. Why are republicans not changing? Well if their friends, family and everyone they talk to is a republican, they’ll never be exposed to different opinions.
Don’t forget that both sides can have valid policies depending on how you view the world. I’m not taking about trump and whatever you people are doing out there in the US, but in general, conservatism is the idea that people will manage their money, rather than the government.
Look at Quebec for example. A very socialist government. 2 years ago they invested a ton on money into one electric bus company. Well that company failed really bad and while they aren’t completely bankrupt, they aren’t far. It’s easy then to then see why conservatives would want to vote conservative. If their money had stayed in their pocket instead of going to the government, this wouldn’t have happened.
Same thing with health. The public health system is currently clogged up so a lot of people end up having to pay to go to the private sector to actually get cured in time. So conservatives believe this whole system is a huge waste of taxpayer money. Most conservatives I know aren’t agaisnt the government helping with that, but they’d rather the government just pay the invoice after you went to a private clinic, similar to insurance in the states, rather than try to control a system that clearly isn’t working.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m not interested in the reasoning behind bigotry.
SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That’s the problem. You see the other side in a way they themselves really aren’t. When people say the left is just as bad as the right, they don’t mean in opinions and policies, but in behavior, just like you’re doing. They both think themselves as having the moral high ground while the other side is complete and utter evil.
Honestly of all the conservatives I know, I don’t think a single one of them is remotely racist in any way. One in particular is agaisnt talking about lgbt stuff in schools but he also has a trans friend and thinks as long as they’re adults it’s fine. It’s not being evil, it’s having a difference in opinion.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
People said everything you’re saying 30 years ago and used it to justify letting fascism grow unchecked. Now we’re here and you are still afraid to be firm. You are why they’re in power.
No more compromises. No more chances. No more conversations. People are being abducted. People are dying. There’s no time left for patience.
They change NOW. Or they can fuck off.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You’d be surprised to learn their reasoning if you actually listened to it.
Turns out their reasoning a lot of the time is divinely ordained racism and sexism. Turns out thats been the reasoning behind a lot of humanity’s choices.
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Except the non-US republicans, they’re cool :D
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Ik a few people who lean to the right economically but aren’t in favor of all this authoritarian stuff And they’re not Nazis, you cant just generalize so broadly about what should or shouldn’t be tolerated. Ofc if someone is being blatantly racist that shouldnt be tolerated, but economic discussion is totally fine
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Turns out Republicans social and economic policiy is dogshit. There are three types of Republicans; power hungry sycophants, cultural chameleons that dont care but to blend in, and then the largest proportion… salt of the earth morons.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I’m not saying their policies are any good, but the golden rule still stands, if a Republican who isn’t evil is nice to you, it only makes sense to reciprocate that.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Electing republicans is in itself blatantly racist.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You do realize that there are members of marginalized groups who have been elected as republicans Like there’s black republicans Is voting for them ‘blatantly racist’? If you overuse language it loses some of its meaning
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When you need to resort to “but I have black friends” to defend racism, you’ve lost.
Casteyes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Generalizing is logical fallacy. Not all Republicans are Nazis.
Some are rotten. Some are good people that just got duped.
It’s not black and white.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nope. They’ve had plenty of time to see the results of their actions. They’re complicit at this point.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I can empathize with your anger but I do think it’s easy to forget just how much propaganda can shape peoples world views and idea of reality. It’s used so heavily because it works :(
Regardless, I’m not trying to start a fight, I can appreciate having no more tolerance for the increasing cruelty of the state of the world. Take care ❤️
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s a story I heard recently that has really stuck with me. It happened in the Sobibor Extermination Camp during WW2. Basically the camp was structured so that captured Jews would be selected to be Kapos. A Kapo was a disciplinarian that kept the rest of the Jews in line, usually with a whip. A lot of the times the Kapo would repeat Nazi propaganda because the Nazi guards were watching too. The rest of the Jews could understand their predicament. But there was one Kapo named Berliner, nicknamed because he was born in Berlin. The rest of the Jews hated Berliner because he truly bought into the propaganda. Imagine, a Jew… in an extermination camp… talking about how Hitler was a misunderstood savior of the Jews right before he started beating his fellow Jews to keep them in line.
It’s no surprise that Berliner’s end comes in the form of a lynching by the rest of the Jews he was keeping in line.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Republican core values are anti-human. Right from there, we have nothing to talk about.
Get these lizard people off our planet!
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s the part that I still can’t wrap my head around. We know it will be shameless shilling and nepotism along with stochastic terrorism and still vote for it anyway? Wtf
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Its easy to forget they live in a Fundamentally different reality shaped by a buble of media. We all do, but conservative media kinda feels like an alternative universe.
When confronted with the world we live in they reject it as unrealistic because it differs too much from the facts they’ve accepted about the world.
My grandpa is a trump voter and I do my best to still talk to him. At an individual scale he’s a kind, sincere man who has always been welcoming of my queerness and tries to understand me. It’s very painful trying to discuss things with him even though it stays a kind interaction when I lead with kindness. It requires a lot of cognitive dissonance, but he lives in a fundamentally different reality than I do and I honestly don’t know what I can do about it :(
That’s the dangerous thing about fascism. Decent people buy into it. Become complicit or enable it. It wouldn’t be a real threat if they didn’t. But it engineers a reality for people to believe in, and lo and behold, they do. And cruelty ensues :(
Casteyes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nope. There’s really not. A lot of them are waking up. You’re being divisive. And that’s not what the country needs.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I am being clear. This debate is over.
Genius@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
They had 4 years of Trump to see the truth for themselves. And then they got to see Trump break another election cycle’s worth of promises on top of that!
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you’ve been getting duped for 50 years, then maybe you’re just too stupid to vote. People with a bit of a plant in their pocket have been disenfranchised for a lot less
Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Perhaps. However. on the other side I think of this quote. “Poor people have been voting democrat for 50 years, and they’re still poor…”
Casteyes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
MAGA wasn’t formed until 2016, the party was much different before Trump. But who cares I guess. It seems people just want to hate the other side here. Which is no better than them.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Before that was the tea party loons, before that was the airbrushed WMD photos, before that was McCarthyism…
When the other side is always fascist, the answer is always FUCK OFF NAZI PUNKS
(Maybe people wouldn’t hate the “other side” if it wasn’t straight up 4th reich on paper 🤷)
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It really wasn’t different before Trump, it was just a little more articulate in its rhetoric.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
🙄