Comment on Enshittification

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• LengAwaits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What sort of evidence would it take to convince you that DEI programs have been a net positive for US businesses?

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What was the evidence that convinced you?

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    • LengAwaits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not going to waste my time on this unless you can answer my very direct question, above.

      I’ve been convinced through a great deal of reading over the course of many years. For me to compile it all for someone who by all indications is not receptive to having their opinion changed would be a fool’s errand.

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• Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion”, which part don’t you understand? Companies encouraged different perspectives so they could reach a broader scope of people and make more money. No one’s hiring an inferior candidate to do worse work lol.

  Now, using cheaper parts, subscription services for everything, customer lock-in, soldered-on, unrepairable parts, focusing only on short-term profits, removing survices while increasing prices… That race to the bottom all definitely contributed to this current “profit at all costs, screw the consumer” environment…

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If DEI made companies more money it wouldn’t have to be legislated, would it. Anyone with a smidge of business sense would absolutely crush it by hiring all the people that racists routinely overlook.

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    • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But it…didn’t have to be legislated, and wasn’t. MAGA and racists and Republicans made inclusion policies the bogeyman scapegoat for everything. You know, like someone who would make a false statement such as “corporate America has spent the last 15 years hiring people based on their race instead of their qualifications”. That was never a thing.

      Also, I said “they could reach a broader scope of people”, it’s not just about the money. Companies weren’t required to implement these policies, they simply benefitted from them. And not always in terms of metrics like profits you can easily prove are the direct result of these policies. Amplifying voices and perspectives to reach people your company might not otherwise is valuable, but you can certainly run a profitable company without doing it.

      Last thing I’ll say is all your comments mischaracterize diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts, either ignorantly or intentionally. Please stop watching Fox News…

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But it…didn’t have to be legislated, and wasn’t

        Oh, weird. What’s this, then?

        federalregister.gov/…/diversity-equity-inclusion-…

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    • LengAwaits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Never assume rationality in an irrational world. We don’t live in econ 101 class where the assumption of rational actors is used to simplify equations for freshmen.

      Putting Rational Actors in Their Place: Economics and Phenomenology

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If rationality is overrated and DEI is rational, isn’t this an argument to discard it? Conversely, if it isn’t, isn’t this an argument that DEI is irrational?

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• Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  DEI ensured that qualified minorities could not legally be passed over by racists in favor of UNqualified whites, as clearly you are. I would never offer you a job.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If capitalists are greedy for profit, why on earth would they hire unqualified people who look like them rather than qualified people who don’t?

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    • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because for bigots, racism trumps profits.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Then why doesn’t someone go and create a company to hire all of that untapped non-white talent, surely they’d be running circles around their competition…

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• green@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Have you ever seen the qualifications of DEI candidates? People always say DEI, but always leave out the part that their resumes are often the best.

  So we agree that America has been hiring based on race, and I’ll even go further and say its been for the last 250 years - but it’s for whites. Being white is not a merit-based qualification.

  Also you think America has only been falling apart for the last 15 years? Did you just forget 1985-1993? This is a troll account, but at least make the bait believable - it’s pathetic.

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• King3d@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That take is just lazy and stupid. DEI is about making sure qualified people aren’t overlooked because of bias. Businesses only care about making money, not some imaginary diversity quota that tanked everything. Which is why successful businesses like Costco and Apple voted to keep it. DEI isn’t affirmative action. Try again, but do better this time.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If DEI is what makes companies more successful, why does it have to be enforced? Capitalists are profit maximizers, so if there’s legit talent being overlooked by racist hiring practices, you’d expect someone with enough of a profit motive would go and hire them for cheaper to outdo the competition. Instead, it appears to be a luxury only super-successful companies can afford to maintain because it boosts their image, and everyone else has to be forced to participate.

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    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yikes

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    • King3d@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You clearly have zero understanding of what you are talking about and it shows. Again, DEI doesn’t mandate quotas or force hiring specific people based on race or other. You are either racist, ignorant, or stupid…or all three.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “You’re wrong because I said so”

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• wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I always appreciate another name to add to the block list. Get thee gone, thou vitriolic waste of bytes, thou fallacy-made-manifest, born of what can only be an unloving and deeply stupid progenitor.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If blocking me is the only argument you have, I’m afraid you have no argument at all.

    Also, you’re proving that diversity and inclusion doesn’t work without excluding some people whose opinions you disagree with, which is by definition the suppression of a minority.

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    • azulavoir@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Minorities by choice are not the point. Nobody chooses to be black, trans, disabled, etc - but people do choose to be exclusionary.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nobody chooses to be white either.

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• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  corporate America has spent the last 15 years hiring people based on their race instead of their qualifications

  Wait, in what universe did that happen?

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bro what planet are you from?

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusi…

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    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Uh, I still have the same question. Linking to Wikipedia doesn’t really answer the question.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you need remedial reading comprehension classes, I suggest you visit your local community college. I can’t help you with that.

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• Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’M SO RACIST I THINK CAPITALISM WORKS!!! – You for some reason.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “I’m so retarded I think insulting people works” — you for some reason

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    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You: says obviously racist, idiotic shit all over the place

      You: gets called racist

      You: “racist is an insult but literal slurs arent”

      ???

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m afraid I don’t follow

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• Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What do you gain from being this stupid?

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I could ask you the same.

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    • Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not really

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ooh, brilliant. Yeah you totally got me there. Total Uno reverse card moment. I feel utterly destroyed and defeated by your verbal prowess.

        Not.

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• Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are you sure about that? Are you really? Because I’ve noticed a lot of CIS gendered Europeans at most of the high end engineering jobs I work at.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, someone has to do all the work to cover everyone’s paychecks

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