Comment on Chinese EV maker BYD says new fast-charging system could be as quick as filling up a tank

• JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Government providing money to create innovative new tech and make it available at a lowe cost to their constituents

  Manipulating the prices to be lower

  I just wanted to point out the pervasiveness of capitalist propaganda here. They’re not manipulating prices, they’re helping their people. It just so happens that our capitalistic systems don’t do well when someone helps their neighbor because then we can’t abuse them.

  Now don’t get me wrong though, I’m not gonna sit here and tell you the Chinese government does no wrong. But in just this particular case I think we’re picking the wrong battle

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  • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not regulating China when they did the same with photovoltaic cells is what destroyed the German photovoltaic industry, which before that was leading.

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    • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      China helping it’s people in a social way destroyed the soul-crushing capitalist system of the western world

      Doesn’t sound too bad when you put it that way. China could go about it better, with worker rights and whatnot, but the government pumping money into the hands of the everyman is not something I can be against

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      • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And stop persecuting Uyghurs and what not.

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      • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The reasons why China can produce so much cheaper than Germany are because Germany pays fair wages, has to get enough taxes to pay for free healthcare and the welfare system, provides free access to education (including universities), has very high environmental standards, …

        You may be calling a social democracy “soul-crushing capitalist system”. I call it home (not Germany specifically but also a social democracy), freedom for everyone to follow their dreams (you can be completely poor and still study whatever you want (with a side job if subsidies aren’t high enough) to get the job you want).

        When I need medical help I go to the hospital (or even call an ambulance if it’s urgent), get treated, and leave without having to pay anything. For university I’m paying 27€ (~30$) per semester. On the streets you barely see homeless people because there are places where they can go to find food, shelter and advice. Etc.

        Paying 50% of my income (only like 30% when not earning that much) in taxes is well worth it. Sure, private insurance might be better for me personally. But it brings me joy to be able to support this system, all those happy people are well worth the slight extra cost.

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  • jaxxed@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It is capitalist perspective, but not propaganda.

    If there is meant to be capitalist competition then the competitors should not be massively funded by the government. China massively funds their electric car industry, principally because they own them.

    That said, US carmakers get Government bailouts all the time.

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    • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right but it’s the specific use of the phrase “manipulating prices.”

      Manipulating has a negative connotation, it’s a buzzword used often in capitalist propaganda. They’re not manipulating prices, they’re subsidizing the industry so that their people can reap the benefits of their taxes in a tangible way. The same way we subsidize farmers, and our EV industry. We just don’t subsidize it as much.

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      • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Flooding the market with impossibly cheap products that can’t be competed against isn’t a good thing when anyone does it.

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      • jaxxed@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You are right

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• shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The heavy subsidy by the Chinese government is the reason they would dominate though.

  ¡Waaaah bad mon China letting people get around with cars and public transit!

  /s

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• bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They would dominate because they make a good product that isn’t more expensive than it has to be. US car companies have discontinued most affordable options to try and force people to only buy larger, higher end vehicles that most people have no use for. Now they’re mad that international companies are willing to sell the products they refuse to.

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  • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And not the 3.2 million that the government dumped into them…

    I’ve heard they are good cars but the price is manipulated.

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    • hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      so… how much did does the us government give its auto industry?

      They gave us auto companies 81 billion between 2008 and 2014, and continue to subsidize the industry to this day.

      pot meet kettle

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      • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yet we don’t try to sell into the Chinese market for the express purpose of undercutting their domestic product. It’s common sense to not allow that to happen.

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      • SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        BYD recieved 3.7 billion between 2018-2022 2.2 billion in 2022 alone.

        Ford recieved under 500 million in 2022 but did recieve 1.7 billion in 2023.

        Ford motor apparently has only recieved 7.7 billion in subsidies since the year 2000. Usually from states rather than fedrally.

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  • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, usa car companies are bitches. But it is laughable that you think the reason it isn’t more expensive has nothing to do with being subsidized

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    • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The reason it is vastly less expensive is due to being subsidized. You don’t seem to understand what is being said and can be backed by facts.

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      • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Allowing your local industries to be dominate is common sense. As much as china is smart to subsidize theirs so heavily, the united states isn’t wrong to tariff them

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• SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They aren’t manipulating, shits just cheaper to make over there. So they can make more profit and still charge less.

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  • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That is verifiably false…

    electrek.co/…/china-gave-byd-an-incredible-3-7-bi…

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    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Read your own source maybe?

      For its part, China has declared the EU subsidy probe a protectionist maneuver by Europe, saying that its automakers are winning because they make better products. Of course, even the study’s author say that the rapid adoption of green tech in Europe in particular is due in large part to cheap goods coming from China.

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      • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’d trust Germany over China any day and twice on Sunday…

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