Comment on Chinese EV maker BYD says new fast-charging system could be as quick as filling up a tank

• Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The heavy subsidy by the Chinese government is the reason they would dominate though. The tariffs won’t ever be lifted unless they stop manipulating the prices to be lower than domestic competitors…

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  • bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They would dominate because they make a good product that isn’t more expensive than it has to be. US car companies have discontinued most affordable options to try and force people to only buy larger, higher end vehicles that most people have no use for. Now they’re mad that international companies are willing to sell the products they refuse to.

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    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, usa car companies are bitches. But it is laughable that you think the reason it isn’t more expensive has nothing to do with being subsidized

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      • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The reason it is vastly less expensive is due to being subsidized. You don’t seem to understand what is being said and can be backed by facts.

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    • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And not the 3.2 million that the government dumped into them…

      I’ve heard they are good cars but the price is manipulated.

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      • hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        so… how much did does the us government give its auto industry?

        They gave us auto companies 81 billion between 2008 and 2014, and continue to subsidize the industry to this day.

        pot meet kettle

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  • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Government providing money to create innovative new tech and make it available at a lowe cost to their constituents

    Manipulating the prices to be lower

    I just wanted to point out the pervasiveness of capitalist propaganda here. They’re not manipulating prices, they’re helping their people. It just so happens that our capitalistic systems don’t do well when someone helps their neighbor because then we can’t abuse them.

    Now don’t get me wrong though, I’m not gonna sit here and tell you the Chinese government does no wrong. But in just this particular case I think we’re picking the wrong battle

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    • jaxxed@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is capitalist perspective, but not propaganda.

      If there is meant to be capitalist competition then the competitors should not be massively funded by the government. China massively funds their electric car industry, principally because they own them.

      That said, US carmakers get Government bailouts all the time.

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      • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Right but it’s the specific use of the phrase “manipulating prices.”

        Manipulating has a negative connotation, it’s a buzzword used often in capitalist propaganda. They’re not manipulating prices, they’re subsidizing the industry so that their people can reap the benefits of their taxes in a tangible way. The same way we subsidize farmers, and our EV industry. We just don’t subsidize it as much.

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    • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not regulating China when they did the same with photovoltaic cells is what destroyed the German photovoltaic industry, which before that was leading.

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      • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        China helping it’s people in a social way destroyed the soul-crushing capitalist system of the western world

        Doesn’t sound too bad when you put it that way. China could go about it better, with worker rights and whatnot, but the government pumping money into the hands of the everyman is not something I can be against

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They aren’t manipulating, shits just cheaper to make over there. So they can make more profit and still charge less.

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    • Enelop@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That is verifiably false…

      electrek.co/…/china-gave-byd-an-incredible-3-7-bi…

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Read your own source maybe?

        For its part, China has declared the EU subsidy probe a protectionist maneuver by Europe, saying that its automakers are winning because they make better products. Of course, even the study’s author say that the rapid adoption of green tech in Europe in particular is due in large part to cheap goods coming from China.

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  • shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The heavy subsidy by the Chinese government is the reason they would dominate though.

    ¡Waaaah bad mon China letting people get around with cars and public transit!

    /s

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• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If China is subsidizing the vheicle and we purchase them here, that means we are drawing from China’s subsidies.

  The claim is this is to save industries but the notion that was need to save specific industry is never questioned.

  We’re told we’re protecting jobs but that’s bullshit. We’re only protecting the profits of capitalists.

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  • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Christ this is a short sighted view.

    We have regulations on markets for a reason, to prevent unfair advantage.

    Just because the US is protecting their interests doesn’t mean that what China is doing isn’t a deliberate effort to drive others out of business.

    It’s an aggressive market tactic and it isn’t good when China does it, just as it isn’t good when a megacorp races to the bottom to drive a mom and pop out of business.

    They did the same thing with solar panels and it was a net detriment on the industry NOT and advantage for the consumer.

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