No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.
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AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 19 hours ago
Don’t choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
grue@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I wish. My ancestors moved to the US from Germany in the 19th or early 20th century, but I’m pretty sure I’m not eligible for German citizenship.
sexy_peach@feddit.org 17 hours ago
Why would you be?
grue@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Because that’s what true “citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century” would imply.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
In 2025 they just mean “if either of your parents was a citizen when you were born, you can be too”
Genius@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Because their family has lived in Germany for a hundred years and they have no link to another place in living memory?
sexy_peach@feddit.org 15 hours ago
Most US-american families haven’t lived in the US for 100s of years, but they’re still US-americans, not Irish, Spanish, German etc.
BurnoutDV@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?
AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 18 hours ago
Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It’s weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can’t vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)
Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit… weird.
syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 17 hours ago
Yeah, the way things work in Norway and I expect in most other European countries is that you don’t get a citizenship for just being born here, but if you’re born and raised here, then by the time you’re of school age you’d have lived here long enough to become a citizen, and unless your parents isolated you, you shouldn’t have any problems with language requirements.
Basically the system here is “stay here for long enough and make a bit of effort for integration and sure you can become a citizen”.
Of course, the far right loves to portray this as “unrestricted immigration” and make it harder for people to do that, or even live normally, get education and services for their kids, etc. And then complain when the result is people who feel that the system isn’t working for them, or who have trouble because they’re uneducated and poorly integrated anywhere.
wewbull@feddit.uk 13 hours ago
That’s fine and is what most European countries have. What they have is minimum levels to say that a parent is resident (e.g. over a couple of years of a legal status). This is to avoid pregnant women doing exactly what the OP suggests. Make journeys last minute just to get their child a different nationality.
aleats@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it’s as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).
Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.
As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Why would citizenship be based on who your parents are?
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
My parents of different nationalities had me in a third country. It would be really really shit for them (and me) if I didn’t share their nationality. They would have had a foreign child, who would almost always go for a citizenship as soon as possible anyway.
Much easier to just give the kid a passport if their parents have one.
And since I was born in a country that DOES have birthplace citizenship, I technically have three nationalities (only two passports though, way too much work to get the third one)
Genius@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Dual ctizenship. Have both. Let the kid be of two nations.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Citizenship by blood can be discriminating to children of immigrants. Say, you’re born in USA and spent all your life in there, would be spit on the face not considering you as a citizen
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
And where do you draw the line anyway? Especially in North America, only first Nations could be citizens?
troglodytis@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Deal