Comment on Firefox deletes promise to never sell personal data, asks users not to panic

afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  There’s Servo by the Linux Foundation and Ladybird.

  These are actual different browsers and engines all together compared to FF spin-offs.

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  • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m excited for these to mature but they are still developing and would not recommend them for regular use

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• wizzim@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I read somewhere that Librewolf is not recommended because they are a small team and slow to patch vulnerabilities / integrate security fixes from Firefox.

  Is it true? (Sincere question)

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  • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Valid concern as I use their browser often. From their FAQ (link):

    1000007404

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• TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’m giving Waterfox a test drive and like it so far. No issues.

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  • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m considering adding it to the alternatives list I posted. Can anybody else validate their privacy policy? Seemd ok but I’m a bit iffy regarding their use of telemetry. Maybe I’m overthinking it

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    • TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No telemetry, allegedly.

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• Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Floorp?

  No User Tracking

  We don’t collect personal information from users. We don’t track users. We don’t sell user data. We have no affiliation with any advertising companies.

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• blackbarn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ironfox for Android?

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  • Earflap@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Too new to recommend, IMO.

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  • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Added

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• ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature).

  codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/…/librewolf.cfg

  I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why wouldn’t they be optional? Every other change like this has been before.

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    • ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Sorry I hope for the best. We’re speaking of terms. Terms are legal facts.

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      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Terms of Service (ToS) are regularly not upheld in court, and their terms are worded so poorly that as written, it would not be a difficult case to defeat.

        The Firefox specific terms for the precompiled binary link to a more general terms page meant to be additional parts, but the additional parts they link to specify that the additional terms only apply to use of Mozilla “services” (sync, vpn, etc). The concerning shit on the ToS lies in the terms for their services.

        It’s a clear contradiction of scope, and unfortunately not Firefox’s first fuckup of this kind. So far, with a multi decade history, none of these contradictions have been used to fuck over their users.

        They already have separate terms for use of the source code. Those are what making forks, and what compiling the source yourself, fall under. They do not make any reference to the services ToS. Use of the source is not effected by any of this so far, on a technical (can the bad shit be removed) and on a legal (are forkers allowed to remove) level.

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        Hacker News has some deeper discussion about the finer points of the ToS mess.

        And apparently Mozilla has clarified that the wording changes in their summary (not the actual ToS) are because California’s definition of “sale” of information includes just communicaring it to a third party as part of normal operations support. Thanks again to Hacker News discussion of Mozilla’s latest statement.

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• rfr_Foglia@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Also Zen Browser

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  • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Added

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Isn’t Librewolf tied to Firefox’ TOS?

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  • heavydust@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No.

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    • ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/…/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m checking right now, but it’s kind of unclear. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Librewolf picks and chooses what to use from Firefox, yeah?

      I’m also looking into the TOR browser.

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      • heavydust@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        All the forks pick and choose but features can be enabled or disabled, or removed entirely. Telemetry is always removed, whereas DRM or cookie settings can be turned off by default.

        If you want some kind of Tor browser without all the Tor thing, Mullvad has its fork too from Tor (like the fixed display as a rectangle to prevent fingerprinting).

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      • ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/…/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

        It’s possible to disable the Tor from Tor browser.

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  • ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Librewolf is tied to however they implement the terms. Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/…/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Five.

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• moe90@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Brave is fine with for iOS with build in adblocker

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• AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  iOS browsers are all just skins around the safari engine.

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