Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year agoI agree. I have to find some way to block that instance from all the lemmy apps and the browser version. I didnt even realize they are supposed to be a leftist instance with how much anti liberal posts and pro fascism posts and comments I see from there.
pro fascism posts
This is just an outright lie. We’re an explicitly anti-fascist instance, have the strictest rules against bigotry I’ve seen anywhere on the internet, and the following is one of the core tenants of our culture and code of conduct:
We do not platform fascists and refuse to engage in any form of debate with them on this platform.
The guy is probably confusing authoritarian for facism - the few posts I’ve seen from hexbear members (that stand out anyway) were genocide denial (china/uyghur) or were downplaying the atrocities committed by the USSR because "they weren’t as bad as insert whataboutism here’.
We do not platform fascists and refuse to engage in any form of debate with them on this platform.
This is an outright lie. Hexbear is full of fascists.
Communists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. The only difference is the flavor of the government that the secret police will work for and run the concentration camps for, which people they will suppress and kill, and whose property they will confiscate for the benefit of the Party.
Same old ahistorical buzzword nonsense. Even if anyone took your false equivalence seriously, how do you explain the secret police and concentration camps of all those ‘liberal’ nations? Or do you only scream unsupported accusations of fascism at people you disagree with as a cheap tactic to try and silence them?
And now we have whataboutism! See, reader, the difference between a liberal and an authoritarian is that the liberal admits to and tries to learn from the failures of liberal democracy, such as the deplorable concentration camps used by Roosevelt to wrongfully imprison Japanese Americans during WW2. While a communist will deny or minimize or deflect from the gulags, the secret police, the rape of Poland, the genocide of Ukraine, the pogroms against Jews, the deaths of the forced relocations and resettlements of people, the suppression of native cultures in favor of imperial Russian and Soviet culture and official history, and a thousand other atrocities large and small.
Communism is a stateless philosophy, facism is explicitly pro state. The two couldn’t be more different.
And we proceed to the “no true Scotsman” segment of the discussion, when the communist denies the bloody, authoritarian, imperial history of communism across the world.
autismdragon@hexbear.net 1 year ago
We criticize liberalism from the left though. I understand that you’re not used to that but liberalism is not actually the leftmost part of the political spectrum. Its also worth noting that when we say “liberalism” we include both what you understand to be “liberals” and “conservatives” because thats what the word originally meant. It just meant “supporter of capitalism”. We have significant issues with the Democratic Party (and the equivalent parties in other first world nations) though and don’t pretend otherwise, but all those criticisms are coming from Marxist perspectives.
I’m not even going to get into it with the “pro fascism” part because I know this is almost certainly based on a misunderstanding of what fascism. Hexbear is explicitly anti-fascist, as are all communists except those weirdo MAGA communists of which there are like 10.
Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hexbear user claiming to be anti fascist in favor of Marxist authoritarianism. To be followed by anger at me calling them out for being an authoritarian or denying that communism is inherently authoritarian. Later, the conversation will devolve into denial that the USSR was authoritarian, that it occupied and oppressed the countries of Eastern Europe and those constituent republics of the Soviet Empire which didn’t authentically want to be there (like Ukraine and the Baltic states) and whataboutism about American cold war actions.
Yes, we have all seen this conversation before, and all your rationalizations. You want to criticize the Democrats? Sure, fine, whatever, they aren’t perfect. But generally, a conversation with a tankie or chapo devolves into acrimony unless you favor dismantling capitalism in favor of their preferred brand of authoritarianism and support their historical revisionism.
autismdragon@hexbear.net 1 year ago
jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 year ago
See, now I’m an anti Semite because I don’t like the USSR